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I don't understand all the hate

[(Anonymous)]

for people who don't trust doctors to save their life if they were to agree to be an organ donor.

The reason people think there will be less effort to save them seems pretty obvious to me: if you were interested in the greatest good of the greatest number, isn't it preferable to save three, four or more lives than just one? And if you're poor and uninsured and the hospital might end up eating the cost of saving your life, is it so very far-fetched to suspect that the hospital might prefer to carry out several extremely lucrative transplant procedures on insured patients?

I think it's naive to imagine that doctors and hospital personnel think everyone's life is equally worth saving.

Re: I don't understand all the hate

[(Anonymous)]

I can't say that I've ever considered that before.

But, I don't think organ transplants work that way? Isn't there an organ waiting list?

Re: I don't understand all the hate

[fenm]

Yep. I waited four years.
/Waaay too close to this issue to want to get into it.

Re: I don't understand all the hate

[(Anonymous)]

I can't help but feel people who think that are idiots :/

Re: I don't understand all the hate

[(Anonymous)]

Well, that's kind of dark. I didn't know there was such a thing as hate for people who think that way though.

Anyway, I think that (though a bit paranoid) this is a generally valid POV. Medicine is a business and at the end of the day your doctor is there to get a paycheck. Sure a lot are genuinely good people who love their job, but they all have an agenda the same as anyone else.

I agree, it is naive to think doctors all value all life equally. They're people too, and they do pick and choose where and when to put their time - that's why you can end up sitting in an exam room for 45 minutes before you see the doctor. There isn't always a line of patients before you or a stroke going on, sometimes they get caught up with some paperwork they deem more important.

Re: I don't understand all the hate

[(Anonymous)]

I noticed a good bit of vitriol directed at "selfish" people who "want to hang onto their organs when they're dead" in the abortion thread yesterday.

Re: I don't understand all the hate

[anonymouslyyours]

Really? I probably didn't read all the comments, just want to make sure you didn't misread what I said as deriding people for having concerns about organ donation?

Re: I don't understand all the hate

[(Anonymous)]

what? i missed this, link?

Re: I don't understand all the hate

[charming_stranger]

Your doctor doesn't get paid per saved patient, though. They get payed per [time] working at the clinic, and they'll probably do that for longer by playing by the rules.

Re: I don't understand all the hate

[(Anonymous)]

This used to happen. I don't know if it still does, but I saw enough news segments about it on 60 Minutes, Nightline, and the three big networks' nightly newscasts dating back to about 1985 and through to around 2000 that I would never be able to trust doctors if I were an organ donor.

Re: I don't understand all the hate

[(Anonymous)]

The doctors who work on you when you're dying aren't part of the transplantation team. The two are separate.

Re: I don't understand all the hate

[(Anonymous)]

And you really think the doctor who works on your case isn't constantly aware that there's a whole lot of people in need of organs, who would benefit if they didn't try too hard to save your one life? Especially if you belong to a group the doctor looks down on?

Re: I don't understand all the hate

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

That isn't a thing that happens. Yeah, maybe a few isolated mentally ill angel-of-mercy doctors do that a year all over the world, but it's not a thing. Doctors don't tend to think that way, and even for the ones that do, there are safeguards in the system designed to incentivize them to do everything they can to save their own patients. Not to mention multiple levels of doctors and nurses and overseers and insurers and fuckloads of paperwork checking and balancing each other to prevent abuse. You honestly believe doctors have that much unchecked and unlimited power over their own patients? LOL.

Re: I don't understand all the hate

[(Anonymous)]

Look, it's precisely because I don't think doctors are flawless angels that I don't believe this.

The probably care about the greater good. But doctors, surgeons in hospitals, with the sort of position that would put them in charge of your life? They aren't going to risk their job, their licensing, and even time in prison just to save a few people. Don't be stupid.

Re: I don't understand all the hate

[(Anonymous)]

No, that's not how it works. The doctors who need organs are not the same doctors who treat a potential organ donor. I'm pretty sure that's a conflict of interest. They're usually from separate hospitals, let alone separate teams.

Re: I don't understand all the hate

[(Anonymous)]

And you really think that makes a difference? Doctors are constantly aware of the need for organs. Suppose you are stuck with a doctor who despises the group you belong to for some reason, or who thinks you personally are a waste of good organs?

Re: I don't understand all the hate

[blunderbuss]

No, because they're idiots who don't understand how organ donating works.

Even if they want your juicy juicy organs, the doctors still HAVE to save your life - the second you die, your organs become useless mush. You can only donate them if the patient is on life support but is too damaged to survive, by which point you have been 'saved' by the doctors already.

So if there really were hundreds of vigilante doctors out there organ donation would actually IMPROVE your chances, because they want to save your precious organs and therefore you.

Re: I don't understand all the hate

[darkmanifest]

Most logical response in this whole thread.

Re: I don't understand all the hate

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you so much for this injection of sanity. I woke up to this thread and was scrolling through in horror at the uninformed paranoia.

Re: I don't understand all the hate

[(Anonymous)]

Once you get the socialised healthcare you've all been crying for, you'll see how dangerous it is to be an organ donor.

Re: I don't understand all the hate

[aubry]

This. I moved to the UK for university, and three mornings in a row I woke up in a vat of ice with fresh stitches and no memory of how I got there. They took a kidney, part of my liver, bone marrow, and even one of my tonsils. Utterly disgraceful.

Re: I don't understand all the hate

[chardmonster]

Yes, because this is the sort of thing you can actually do research on in most countries.

If people were letting certain people die to harvest their organs, don't you think there'd be, I don't know, some kind of buzz besides random internet weirdos?

I mean there's a buzz around VACCINES MUST GIVE YOUR KIDS AUTISM SO LET'S LET JOHNNY GET MEASLES so I think this would generate a hell of a lot more, don't you think?

Re: I don't understand all the hate

[(Anonymous)]

This weekend some idiot at the grocery store was handing out flyers citing Wakefield's bullshit claims about the MMR vaccine. We told the manager and he called the police, but they only told her to leave. I was really hoping they'd arrest her on even one of the many misdemeanors they could have charged her with.

Re: I don't understand all the hate

[(Anonymous)]

In the hospitals I have worked in, there were psycho strict guidelines and those are supposed to be accross the board.

Yes there are the rare cases just like in anything, but I do not think that is something anyone actually has to fear.

Because doing so would result in the loss of so many licenses that it is just not worth the risk to the doctors, transplant staff, nurses, and surgeons involved to save 8 people, no matter how deserving they think those people may be.

Re: I don't understand all the hate

[making_excuses]

Don't you have to be alive to be a donor though, it's not like organs stay viable long after a body dies? Only brain dead?

So if your doctor don't want to get a hell of a lot of people in on his or her scam to pretend you are brain dead, you should be pretty safe.

Even if that wasn't the case, I am still an organ donor and I will continue to be until I die and then science can do whatever the fuck they want with my body for all I care.

And in Norway it isn't actually the patient whom decide if you are donating or not, it is the next of kin. I got a donor card, but it is not legally binding, once I am declared dead.