[ SECRET POST #2280 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2280 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I think that's because none of them actually love the show. They just love the idea of a show they have in their heads. No matter how much they claim that Dean and Castiel are in love and how Dean is bisexual, nothing like that is stated in the show. It's all in their imaginations and in their metas.

[mekkio]

The sad thing is when writers do pander to the audience rather than sticking to their show's themes and storylines, the show ALWAYS suffers. It happened on Heroes when the writers listened to the fans and kept on bringing back Sylar no matter if it made sense. They did it on LOST and made the show end on the love triangle relationships rather than solving the mysteries. They did it Fringe because they changed that show so many times to fit the moods of the audience that I gave up by season three because it was nothing like the show that I started with.

[deadtree]

ia, writers should try to write in a vacuum as often as possible. Fans are fickle, so they need to stick to their guns. Further, people often don't want the things that they think they want. The buildup and the *possibility* of romance is more interesting than the romance itself (usually). Plus the moment characters pair up I get wary, because one of them is now doomed. Or both. Because happily ever after doesn't work in the middle of a show.

[feotakahari]

I haven't watched Supernatural, but this sounds a lot like Invader Zim to me. There's a certain point past which tragedy simply becomes farce, such that inventing a romance to save the characters is far more appealing and enjoyable than watching for what it is.

[(Anonymous)]

NA

IDK. I see considerable subtext in canon for Cas being in love with Dean and for Dean having bisexual leanings. I don't think it's just in my imagination.

I also don't think Dean/Cas will ever become canon or that Dean would ever have a male love interest (even one that did go down in flames) but those two concepts are ones I see a lot of canon support for.

I just wish everyone would cool down a bit. The D/C fans who are so eager for it to be canon are just going to end up disappointed and some of them have hung their hats worryingly hard on the incredibly unlikely hope that it'll happen. Not this season, but next season. And I just don't see it. But at the same time, I've seen a significant amount of bashing from people who hate the idea of Dean being bi not because they don't like Dean with a guy (hell, most of them seem to be shippers of other Dean slash ships) but because they don't like the idea of Dean being with Castiel, which strikes me as pretty pathetic. Who roots against mainstream queer representation because of a shipping grudge?

And either way, people can believe what they believe and in the end, it hurts no one but themselves when they're wrong. If someone wants to believe that Dean and Cas will be macking every episode of S9, more power to them. It won't happen, but that's their belief to have and it doesn't hurt me at all that they have it.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

agreed. There's a reason people talk about fanservice- Dean/cas shippers are far from a secret! Just because there's far more intentional evidence for everyone being heterosexual... did people expect consistency? quality television? really? Just let people enjoy the show however they want.

(Though it's hard when you care about someone and they don't seem 100% there. I get that.)

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

It's pretty openly acknoweledged fanservice. There was a wave of wank on Tumblr a few weeks back because Misha Collins said something about giving nods to Dean/Cas shippers at one of the recent cons, but in a way that felt far more like slashbait than any actual attempt to build up a relationship (which is what a lot of fans had been reading - a deliberate attempt to develop a romantic relationship between Dean and Cas) and that did not go over well. But what do people expect? It's fan service. That's how fan service works. I'm just glad that these creators are cool with it as opposed to creators in other series I've followed who acted as though people shipping gay pairings was the greatest of sins and terrible perversions. Ugh.

But man, just ship and let ship. There's no need for wanking on someone else's parade. If they want to read it as TOTALLY ABOUT TO BE CANON!! then so be it. It doesn't hurt me any.

(And if it hurts them when it doesn't actually happen, well. That's unfortunate. It is. I get that. And I can't change that it will hurt them, but what I can do is not make it worse by rubbing salt in the wound and acting like a fucker about it.)

[(Anonymous)]

Haha, I don't know why you say "other shippers" when it's obvious you're talking about Wincest shippers.

Tbh, I'm not really that into shipping for SPN, but I have to follow both Wincest and Destiel shippers since a lot Wincest shippers never reblog gifs of Dean and Cas together, and a Destiel shippers don't reblog nearly as many gifs of Sam and Dean together. I think that's the only fandom I'm in where I can tell what people ship by what they reblog.

But yeah, from what I've seen a lot of Wincest shippers act weirdly passive aggressive toward Destiel shippers. They won't outright say that they hate Dean/Cas, but they'll make little text posts that are obviously about that ship. Destiel shippers, from what I've seen, don't hate on Wincest shippers, but a lot of them are kind of crazy and tend to be more misogynistic and bash any girl who shows an interest in Dean or Cas. (For instance, a lot of them were cheering Meg's death while a lot of Wincest shippers were saddened by it and many of them shipped Cas/Meg since it didn't interfere with their ship).

Yeah, even as a non-shipper, I don't understand why people are pissed about wanting to see canon D/C even if it's not going to happen. I can understand being annoyed by the D/C shippers who tell people they're homophobic if they don't like that ship or the shippers who bash girls, but not all of them are like this from what I've seen. If it was a non-canon hetero ship, no one would be up in arms.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

I didn't just mean Wincest shippers, though yeah, I do see more of this sort of thing from them than I do for other fan groups. Then again, the majority of fandom ships either Dean/Cas or Sam/Dean, so. FTR, I am myself a multishipper who prefers Sam/Dean most of all.

I think the crazy misogynistic aspect is pretty equally handled by all the different shipping factions, unfortunately. I've seen Sam/Dean shippers who absolutely loathed Ruby (and not because she was doing very bad things but because she got in the way of Sam/Dean), D/C shippers who loathed Meg (though thankfully not as many of these? Maybe because Meg had a lot of people very protective over her), shippers from both camps hate on Lisa, - name a female character who has shown a romantic interest in Sam, Dean, or Cas and I can show you a female character who has been unfairly bashed by fandom.

The ship war is fueled by both sides, but as someone who is primarily a Wincest shipper, yeah. My Tumblr is almost all D/C (which gets irritating) because the D/C fans I follow are pretty ship friendly to all ships, post good Sam stuff, and good Dean stuff amidst the D/C stuff that does nothing for me while many of the Sam/Dean shippers I've tried to follow always slip bashing stuff in there at some point. It sucks because I love Sam/Dean and want a whole bunch more of it, but it's not that popular on Tumblr to begin with and then it's like walking through a minefield about whether a person you've followed will randomly start spouting off about how much she hates a certain angel or how ~delusional~ fans of certain other pairings are or whatever and whatever. I just don't have the time or the energy to deal with ship bashing anymore, even if it's not a ship I ship.

I agree with everything you've said here, but especially that last paragraph. No one is homophobic for not shipping a fanon slash ship. They're not even homophobic if they see no canon subtext for a fanon slash ship. But the majority of D/C fans don't act as if it is. They're pretty chill and happy, for the most part, and letting them have their squee doesn't mean I have to enjoy Sam and Dean any less.

[(Anonymous)]

Its interesting how different our experiences can be. I follow primarily Wincest shippers on Tumblr because Sam is my favorite character and I've found Destiel shippers largely ignore him. Or sometimes wish he will settle down and the show can focus more on Dean and Cas hunting. Yeah. I unfollowed that person.

I still see a lot of Cas, but more than that, I see people wishing his character got interaction with people besides Dean. Sam and Cas have such an interesting relationship. So did Meg and Cas.

Whats alarming though is the sheer amount of shit these kids get flung at them daily for their ship. Like, holy christ. No one deserves that and if it leads to them making a snarky comment, I don't blame them. Death threats aint cool.

[(Anonymous)]

Who roots against mainstream queer representation because of a shipping grudge?


lol as if that's the major reason D/C shippers would like it to happen. When these ship wars and canon questions pop up, the one thing I would like would be if the majority would stop pretending they give two fucks about queer representation. Just admit it's down to who you want to see macking.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Oh, no doubt there are a lot of straight D/C fans out there who just want their ship to be canon but there are also queer fans out there who just want representation, as well as fans who don't ship it but still want representation (see fans like me who don't ship D/C but still want Dean to be acknowledged in canon as bi). Their voices shouldn't be silenced just because some fans only want bisexual!Dean for selfish, ship-based reasons.

And at the end of the day, one group's selfish desires leads to something positive (more representation of queer characters in mainstream media) while the other groups selfish desires (not having bi!Dean because they don't want D/C shippers to be happy about it) leads to something else entirely. When it comes down to it, I'm going to side with whichever group gives me more representation, not less. I'd take that even if it meant Dean/Cas became canon. I doubt D/C being canon would actually make those shippers happy in the long run (has any romantic relationship on this show not ended in blood, sweat, and tears? Also usually stabbings and fire and death?), but it gives me another canon bi character which I can always get behind.

And, well, so what if Dean/Cas did become canon? I shipped Sam/Dean when Dean/Lisa was canon or Sam/Ruby or Dean/Cassie. I shipped it when Jo had her very obvious crush on Dean and when Dean became interested in reciprocating. I can still ship Sam/Dean even if Dean/Cas was tossed in the canon mix.

[(Anonymous)]

Who roots against mainstream queer representation because of a shipping grudge?

LOL, do you think fangirls are filled with queer spirit and operate as GLBT visibility warriors? Fuck no, most of them want their slash guys straight.

[(Anonymous)]

...A lot of fangirls are part of the LGBT community, though.

[(Anonymous)]

As are a lot of the fanboys. There are a lot of straight female shippers out there and acting like they are is pretty insulting to those of us who aren't.