[ SECRET POST #2285 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2285 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Kirk Cameron]


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[Lindsay Lohan, Sean Penn, Sean Bean]


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[MCU/Marvel movies - NOT the comics]


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10. [SPOILERS for Spartacus War of the Damned]



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11. [SPOILERS for Dangan Ronpa]



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12. [SPOILERS for The Walking Dead]



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13. [SPOILERS for House MD]



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14. [WARNING for rape]



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15. [WARNING for abuse]

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Comments

[fscom]

07. http://oi50.tinypic.com/6pnvkp.jpg
[MCU/Marvel movies - NOT the comics]

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know what to laugh at more, this condescending tantrum over something as minor as a character's last name spelling, or the huffy "NOT the comics" in your fandom note :D

[(Anonymous)]

Lol @ "NOT the comics"

like, seriously, why does someone consider it SO important to clarify that specific point?

[(Anonymous)]

Not that weird of a pet peeve, though. I mean, Steve Rodgers drives me stupid. :|

[amberleigh]

Things I have learned from my (as yet brief) exposure to Marvel: all the name spellings are weird. (Seriously, Smoak?)

[shinysylver]

Actually that one is DC comics not Marvel. Spread the blame around.

[sugar_spun]

Well, this is a fair indication, but it's worth noting stuff like this is often done by interns who misspell things. Who knows? Not something you need to get pissy over.

[divorcer]

Actually I agree, but it's just that Russian names tend to have a lot of "ov"s when transliterated into English, I think? SO I can understand preferring that to Romanoffffff

BUT tbh I would far prefer it if her last name WAS "Romanova". I get that the English language doesn't really do gendered last names but still. She's a chick so she should be a "Romanova".

[(Anonymous)]

I agree.

They have the "ov" because that's how "ов" is transliterated. The "off" is sometimes used because of the Russian way of making the ending sound soft, like an f instead of a v to American ears. Personally, I like the "ov" more than the "ff" because then it's easier for me to find words in my dictionary, when books/comics/etc. transliterate by how it sounds to the English speaker, I sometimes have difficulty finding the word in Russian.

Technically, her name *is* Romanova since she's Russian. I think we could do gendered last names for these characters, I mean, we have Anna Karenina and they keep the gendered endings and it's no big deal. Just include an explanation in a foreward/author's note/something and people would get it.

[deadtree]

idk, I have a bigger pet peeve with her name NOT being Romanova, because a really good friend of mine is Russian and once told me a story about her brother marrying a Japanese girl and taking her back to Russia, but the Russian government gave them hell about legal paperwork because she'd taken his (masculine) last name instead of the feminine form (because they'd have gone through hell in Japan if she hadn't)

I get that there are lots of female descendants of Russians with masculine family names, but that story always niggles my mind when I see her last name.

[(Anonymous)]

Pfft, stop your whining, it's much worse when you're russian and you're watching the movie with russian dub and they still calling her "Romanoff". I mean what's the point?

[(Anonymous)]

They seriously call her Romanoff in the Russian version?!

Wow

[(Anonymous)]

.. that is freaking bizarre/lazy/sloppy and makes even me cringe even though i'm chinese lol

praps because i only happen to know about the gendered last names after reading anna karenina before though tbh

[visp]

I sympathize with your pedantic linguistic hissyfit. Been known to have a few myself.

Huh

[(Anonymous)]

I would have thought more people would agree with this secret, OP, considering misspelling names pops up often enough in fanfiction rants and generally gets a BAD FAN reaction. It seems like such a simple thing to catch, too, which is probably why it bothers me so much.

Re: Huh

[(Anonymous)]

I think the reason it's different in this case is because there are ethnic and linguistic problems with the canon spelling of the name that annoy people to the point that they throw canon out the window.

[(Anonymous)]

YFW those two spellings are the exact same thing. It's just two different ways of romanizing the same sound. Plenty of English spellings of words have the same thing; in Japanese you can romanize a double "o" sound as ou or oh.

tl;dr You're wrong. Deal with it.

[(Anonymous)]

This is a joke, right? She has two names: Natalia Alianovna Romanova and Natasha Romanoff. She's a character in an American franchise: her name isn't an actual transliteration, but a fake name created in the height of the 60s.

[(Anonymous)]

Whenever I see "ffs" in lowercase I read it as an angry cat noise.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't even understand what you are trying to say!

I think I take last names and throwaway lines a bit too seriously

[nyxelestia]

I feel like I've seen this before, WTF

Well, I often used "Romanov" vs "Romanova" to distinguish between "Nat the Red Room agent" vs "Nat the SHIELD agent", and I've seen some other people do this, too (or, they use the different names to distinguish between her MCU character and her comics character). So it bugs me a lot when I see people use them interchangeably, if only because it messes up the tags.

Though my bigger pet peeve is that her name, first and last, are stated several times throughout the movie, so it feels like people are just giving her a 'different' last name if they use Romanova for MCU fic. Like, maybe she has a reason for going with Romanov instead of Romanova?

This leads directly into my headcanon (one that seems to be shared with a lot of the rest of the fandom): Nat changed it intentionally as a way of cutting herself off from her dark past, back when she'd first been brought into SHIELD and was looking forward to a bright (or, uh, less dim) future. "Natasha Romanov" was a happy medium between sticking to her old name (which she didn't want) and getting a new name entirely (which she also didn't want).

Personally, I tend to find it kind of rude when people change her name from what it's stated to be. She uses that name and it is clearly her name so to just change it because you think her name SHOULD be something else just because of her ethnicity feels incredibly disrespectful to her, her history, and her recent life choices. But then I tend to take unwanted name changes very personally, due to school administrators and people in generally trying to change my last name throughout my life (though especially when I was a child).

Though this is part of my own, more personal headcanon (that is very definitely more projection than anything else, which I wholeheartedly admit), which is that Natasha doesn't really identify with her Russian ancestry at all beyond a very superficial level. I took that "I'm Russian, or I used to be" line a bit more literally than most due to my own situation (also known as that awkward moment I have explain to people what I mean when I say my ethnicity is "none"). Which makes me even more irrationally pissed off when people change her name to Romanova - so because she comes from Russia, everything about her must be Russian, even if she decided otherwise? >.< Okay, I know this one is stupid because it's not a popular or common headcanon, which is why I generally don't complain about it too much - or at least, not this part of her name change.

(Though, honestly, the 'Romanoff' thing confused the hell out of me for the longest time, I had no idea that it was the official spelling for her name. Romanoff bugs me a little, but only because it doesn't sound like the way her name is pronounced in canon; -off and -ov sound different to me. *sighs* In deference to my own logic and in an effort to be as un-hypocritical as possible, I shall go and edit my tags and shit to make it all match up again! *wanders off to GoogleDocs*)

[(Anonymous)]

In the movie universe she is supposed to be Russian, so I don't see why we're not supposed to realize it's just like in the comics where Natasha is a nickname and Romanoff is a last name she chose for herself, like a code name, that doesn't obey transliteration rules. I'll keep on thinking her movie name is Natalia Romanova as it is in the comics.

[(Anonymous)]

I wish that my life were so perfect that I had the time and energy to not only get all pissy about something of absolutely no consequence whatsoever, but to make a pissy secret about it.

[rivulet027]

The thing about movie canon is that you have to realize that those of us reading the comics aren't going to make the chars completely different from their comic book counterparts.

To me Hawkeye will always be that sassy sarcastic guy who loves wearing purple and shooting his bow that I've been on and off following since I found out he existed.

To me Logan's background will always be the one I read in the first Alpha Flight series because Alpha Flight was my first big comic book love. Never mind that the man has a zillion and one backstories.

So Black Widow. To me her name last name is Romanova and I will contiue to use it. That doesn't mean one of her alias and maybe what she uses for SHIELD in the movie isn't Natasha Romanoff. That's one of her canon comic book aliases. She's used the name Rushman in the comics and in the movies too. I've seen it written in fic where she changes her name, in movieverse, to help with her emotional healing after what happened to her and that explanation works for me, but I'm still going to use the last name that I'm used to seeing her with. Part of that is even though when I write Avengers fic I tend to write in movieverse I also tend to bring in comic book references or other chars that I enjoyed who are or aren't Avengers in comic form. It a way to draw on the canon and make your own thing. Comic fic has done that for a long time...your X-men team can be any of the chars you really like, give them a situation and you have a fic.

If that doesn't work for you, it doesn't work for you. That's not going to stop me from keeping Clint's background and trust issues from the comics. It's not going to stop me from finding ways to put Jan onto the team without Pym, or the Generation X chars that I miss and just don't get enough love, or even the Alpha Flight chars that I care about. I have no intentions of waiting until the next Captain America movie to start writing Winter Solider into fics...because well if you want to see some chemistry with Natasha you should read some Winter Solider. Write the char how you see her and someone else is going to write her in a completely opposite way because that's how they saw her. It happens. It's fic.

[brooms]

"Romanova is the Russian form of her name"

well, she still IS russian. like maria sharapoVA and unlike nastia liukinA.