[ SECRET POST #2291 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2291 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

14. http://i.imgur.com/1ySBelY.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

...I've only watched a couple of episodes of Doctor Who years ago and have some background knowledge on what it's about from back when I used to have really close friends in the fandom, but...

...I really, really, really, REALLY need to know the context of this. Preferably right now. O.o

Spoilers for pretty much all of season seven so far.

[elephantinegrace]

The newest companion, Clara Oswin Oswald, first appeared in "Asylum of the Daleks" as an amateur souffle-maker. It turned out at the end of the episode that she was a Dalek the whole episode. She kills herself at the end of it and another version of her or something (ask Moffat) dies at the end of the Christmas special, so the Doctor takes her as a companion to figure out why she lives and dies at multiple points in space and time.

Spoilers for series 7 ahead!

[(Anonymous)]

Basically the Doctor gets stuck on a Dalek prison planet. He starts talking to a girl named Clara on a radio com who says that she's trapped and needs the Doctor's help to escape. The Doctor spends the episode looking for her.

The twist is at the end of the episode where it turns out that Clara is actually a Dalek. She had been turned into a Dalek, but retained her human memories making her think that she was still human and trapped inside a building surrounded by Daleks (when it was her thought trapped inside a Dalek case).

[(Anonymous)]

She's not currently a Dalek, but she may become one in the future. Or another version of her will. Or something. Clara's backstory is pretty confusing right now and a major theme of the rest of the series is the Doctor trying to figure out what the hell her deal is.

[(Anonymous)]

The Doctor and his companions were kidnapped by the Dalek Parliament and ordered to disengage the force field on the Dalek Asylum which can only be done from within. The entire time they tried to navigate through the Asylum a cute (well only we could see her) girl was helping them along, named Oswin. She claimed to have been stuck in the Asylum for a year on a crashed ship, she was part of some fleet called Alaska. They set out to save her as well, and she was a computer genius so she was able to help them discover alternative routes and not get killed by the baddest of the bad Daleks. The entire time she was talking about souffles and shit and the Doctor was like 'where did you get the milk where did you get the eggs' then in the end when he goes to save her he finds out she's a Dalek, that her story actually was true but she was converted. And she was too resistant to give her mind over.

[(Anonymous)]

...is that Rusty the emo Dalek?

[(Anonymous)]

Do you mean the Dalek from "Dalek"?

No, that's the current companion, Oswin/Clara Oswald. It's a long story.

[(Anonymous)]

... shouldn't this count as a spoiler, dude?

[(Anonymous)]

Been six months, get over it.

[sarnath]

We-ll, in his case it's not so much prejudice as incredibly traumatic personal experience. And I thought his reaction was pretty ambivalent; compare with "Dalek" and "Victory of the Daleks".

[(Anonymous)]

But those were actualfax Daleks, not humans who were forced into Dalek armor or whatever and who still feel like humans.

[(Anonymous)]

oh ffs, i'm tired of this fuckery that are ~special~ daleks. is a xenophobic dalek with no mercy and sad backstory too much to ask. /venting

[(Anonymous)]

That Dalek who shot the uber-pious black guy in "Evolution of the Daleks", maybe? Also, the one who kept sassing the Cybermen in "Doomsday".

Prefer sad mopey Daleks to that pathetic excuse for a Dalek in the museum who begged River Song for mercy though *eyeroll*

[(Anonymous)]

That sass battle is still one of my favourites.

[sarnath]

That's pretty much what Daleks are; they were people once. She'd been converted into one, and was at one point even starting to attack him. The Daleks "pounding on her door" to get in, was the conversion working at her mind, and eventually it would have succeeded. The difference in how he reacted to her compared to the other Daleks he's run into says a lot, though, I think.

But yes, I'm saying that he can't be wholly rational when it comes to Daleks (or in Clara's case, looking like a Dalek and almost completely turned into one) because of his personal experiences with them. I half expected him to ask her to come with him anyway, but I understand why he couldn't. Maybe not the right choice, but an understandable choice.

[(Anonymous)]

That's pretty much what Daleks are; they were people once.

That was never true until "Asylum of the Daleks". The Cybermen were people once - not the Daleks. The Daleks are, y'know, aliens.

Why Moffat decided to cross the streams and fuck with the entire continuity of Doctor Who (hi, uh, Skaro, when did you exist again? OH WAIT YOU SHOULDN'T but let's not bother explaining that!) when he could have done a marginally less horrific Cyberman story is still beyond me.

[intrigueing]

ExCUSE me aliens are people too. But yeah, while the Daleks were technically "people once", they aren't like Cybermen, they were bred from mutant Kaleds and genetically engineered into Daleks and propagated over generations. It's not like each individual Dalek was an individual person once before being turned into a Dalek.

Especially now that technically, all the Daleks in existence are supposed to be the new super-pure-cloned Mighty Morphin' Dalek Rangers since the Rusty-brand war survivors all committed suicide. But that's not the case anymore for...some reason. Did they ever explain that? It's been a while since I saw Asylum...

[sarnath]

As far I understand it, the specialised Daleks weren't the only type to come out of the egg thingy? They're still present in "Asylum", but the regular look is still dominant. But no, it's not specifically explained.

[sarnath]

No, the Daleks were people, albeit a long time ago. Alien people. The ones in existence (that we know of, more may pop up at any time, this are Daleks we're talking about, after all) are from the egg in "The Victory of the Daleks". That is, descended from the early "pure" Daleks.

As for Skaro existing, they must have just met there before its destruction, just like in the 8th Doctor film. Or the planet the Doctor destroyed wasn't Skaro after all (though that's only in a spinoff).

The thing is, I think Doctor Who at its core is a very uncertain canon prone to change at any time. A very few things stay happened (and even they can sometimes change in some ways!), but most do not. It's something one can like or dislike, but it's a one of the major premises of the show.

[intrigueing]

I think Skaro was locked all along its timeline in the Time War along with all the Time Lords and Daleks who didn't find a loophole out, otherwise there would have still been pre-war!Daleks living there still killing people in the accessible past, so it's not really just a matter of traveling back in time to "before" it's destruction, because its entire timeline was destroyed in the war from even before Seven blew it up.

And....er, no? It's not a major premise? It's a major feature, through a culmination of writing decisions and errors, but not a major premise, and especially not in the new series, where story continuity is a much bigger consideration. The problem isn't that Doctor Who has subject-to-change canon, it's more that being subject to change without any explanation or acknowledgement doesn't fly regardless of the reasons. Like, there has to be a reason why the Doctor is suddenly interacting with loads of Daleks living on Skaro when the planet only exists in a past timeline that is supposed to have been frozen out of time-travel-accessible reality.

Now, mind you, a sudden bullshit asspull retcon would be perfectly acceptable as that reason, but there has to be some reason, not just "here it is." Or at least a "bwuh???? how????" reaction from the Doctor acknowledging that he shouldn't be able to access Skaro. I mean, that's like Gallifrey suddenly always-existing-without-destruction with loads of Time Lords on it.

[(Anonymous)]

The Doctor is morally ambiguous. Okay.

That aside, I don't think he was particularly nasty to her. I think he was sensible. Trying to tell her that nope this isn't happening, you're a Dalek, you've been programmed to kill. Him giving her a reality check was one of the best things he could've done for her. I suspect that he sort of knew all along because at one point it was suggested that He, Amy, and Rory were going to try and escape without her. She thought they might too. Another point is, maybe at this time the Doctor thought she was a trap and lead him to her on purpose.