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⌈ Secret Post #2300 ⌋

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[fscom]

15. http://i.imgur.com/tkoz0Rv.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

:O

I never thought about it that way...

[sugar_spun]

Huh. That's a good point. The TARDIS often does make him miserable. I guess it doesn't help that for a guy as ancient and worldly as he is, he still has to learn the same lessons repeatedly over and over and over again. But I would like to see an episode where we see something like this.

[(Anonymous)]

This is an interesting thought, I know the Doctor loves the tardis but it would be funny if he was just like "Jeez Tardis, leave me alone for a day."

Or what if the tardis just gets bored and is trolling him for fun.

[silverr]

Or she's less interested in seeing him picnic on some idyllic spot with the Flavor of the Decade (something she cannot particiapte in) and thus would rather see him solve some hideous problem or other.

Somewhat OT

[(Anonymous)]

....David Tennant, I forgot how damn attractive you are. EXcellent cap, OP.

(Also a very interesting headcanon! I'm intrigued by this reading....)

Had to be done...

[making_excuses]

[intrigueing]

Oh, I would love to see this touched upon in an episode, but they've probably come to an understanding about it long ago. She goes along with it when he pursues distress signals and stuff when he picks them up, he goes along with it when she carts him off to dangerous situations when she picks them up.

I wonder who's got the upper hand there, though. I assumed the only way to really control her actions is to physically fuck her up like the Master did with the paradox machine, but I dunno...can he force her to land or take off or open her doors if she doesn't want to? It's never quite clear if he has control over that or if she could just hijack him whenever she wants if she doesn't like where he's going and just allows him to choose sometimes. On the other hand, I don't know the extent of what she's able to do TO him, but she definitely can dump him in the middle of a catastrophe and kind of go "what, are you gonna just leave them there?" knowing he never would.

Okay, that bit of fanwank got kind of dark and twisted pretty fast...

[making_excuses]

I never thought about it that way, it is interesting and someone much smarter than me should write more about it!

[(Anonymous)]

Y'know, the episode that gave me the most thoughts about the Doctor/TARDIS relationship? It wasn't The Doctor's Wife. It was The Girl Who Waited.

Specifically "Why don't you check the history records if there's a deadly plague?"/"That's not how I travel!"

Because I wondered if the TARDIS is able to kidnap him to a different place/time or not let him land if he tries to land in a place where he or his companions will be subjected to pointless misery that will help no one. Or does she genuinely just not know about some catastrophes? In that particular episode, if she did know that they were walking into trouble and it wasn't a situation where they could be of any help, was it possible for her to simply not land where he tried to land, like she's done five hundred times before, and take them somewhere else where it was safe? Would she?

I mean, she technically could be going "well, I could stop him, but I'll let him make his own choices about where to go even if they're really bad ones", but that would be pretty unfair when she thwarts his choices all the time to put him into all those situations where he's supposed to help people.

And does he trust her to not let him land somewhere horrible and unnecessary? Or does he believe she makes mistakes and doesn't know everything? Which one is true? Did she just make a mistake and accidentally set him down somewhere wrong, or mistakenly think there was no danger? Does he understand that she makes mistakes and doesn't know everything, or is he under the impression that every place she lets him land is either safe or in need of him?

And yes, I just wrote a serious tl;dr about issues of autonomy in the relationship between an alien and his spaceship.

[elaminator]

Hmm...you bring up some interesting points. (You should write fanfic about it!)

[(Anonymous)]

I think it'd be more o a situation where she does step in when she really believes the Doctor needs to do [or not do] something, but otherwise would mostly stay out of it. As for the Doctor's side...Yeah, I'd say he mostly trusts her, but probably also knows she can [and possibly has] made mistakes before.

/two cents

[(Anonymous)]

> And does he trust her to not let him land somewhere horrible and unnecessary?
Like Malcassairo?

[(Anonymous)]

Their relationship is pretty twisted and power-imbalanced if you think about it...but he does have the choice to just stop traveling (which he exercised, in The Snowmen) so I'm sure he wants her to keep doing what she's doing. She'd listen if he asked her to stop. Probably.

On the other hand, if he did decide to leave her, there's probably nothing to stop her from locking him inside her forever.

*sigh* It's a shame this secret didn't appear on the same day as that other "what makes you think I would ever give you back?" secret. I'm getting so many plot bunnies for how this could be taken in a really dark abusive direction...

[(Anonymous)]

I think Big Finish actually did something like this. I never actually listened to the story in question, but I heard about it. She was jealous of Charley, I believe. Or maybe I'm mixing up two different stories.

Recs? *crosses fingers*

[(Anonymous)]

Are there any good fanfics where this kind of idea is explored? Especially if it's darkfic?

Re: Recs? *crosses fingers*

[(Anonymous)]

I came here to ask the exact same thing :3

[helishdreams]

Another thing to add - I always assume they travel more than what we see on the show. So they do have the boring sight-seeing trips, but they're not as interesting, so why show them to us?

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, they even mention having a lot more adventures than the ones that are seen. Like Rose talking about that planet where the sea flash-froze during a storm in "Boom Town", or a whole lot of season 7A.

[(Anonymous)]

In defense of the TARDIS (never thought I'd start a sentence that way), I don't think she is always in charge of where she goes. I think some of it may just be bad piloting by the Doctor. I just don't think that, every single time, she sits there and thinks "Oh, this is where I want the Doctor to go." I think that some of his mistakes are just due to his own crappy piloting.

Interesting question though.

[(Anonymous)]

da

Yeah. And maybe sometimes she genuinely doesn't know where she's going or whether there's a crisis going down.

[(Anonymous)]

....the fact that the show is written in a manner that even allows such speculation just makes me Grouchy McGroucherson. I'm sorry, no! NO NONONONO! Now even the TARDIS is implicated in the stupid soap opera melodrama?! If I wanted to watch Corrie, I'd watch flipping Corrie, wouldn't I, Moffat?

/Classic!Who fan, reporting in/grumbling and griping

[lex_antonia]

Steven Moffat, much as I like to complain about him, had nothing whatsoever to do with the episode in question. Just sayin'.

[(Anonymous)]

Uh, I'm not sure what you're referring to. The show has always been written in "such a manner". The TARDIS takes him to times and places where their happens to be a disaster going down where he would be really helpful in stopping. That has always, always been true, ever since the very first season.

The writers back then weren't thinking "oh, the TARDIS takes him to these places on purpose", but the "convenient disaster, yo!" formula has always been a narrative conceit --nothing wrong with that, all shows have them --and ever since the TARDIS was confirmed to be alive (which was well back in the classic era), fans -- yes oldschool fans -- have theorized this quite seriously as the explanation for that narrative conceit, since chalking it up to coincidence was seriously stretching things. How is the show "written in such a manner" that makes that particular feature of the show any different than it ever was, except making the fan theory canon rather than implied?

Also, er...implicated in what "stupid soap opera melodrama?" The episode shown here is a pretty heavy riff on the Hartnell era episode The Aztecs, where Barbara had a moral crisis and conflict with the Doctor very similar to Donna's in this episode, and several other "not allowed to change history" storylines from the Classic series.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, congratulations, I now have a deep hankering for fucked-up emotionally-abusive codependent controlling destructive TARDIS/Doctor fic. Which is weird because they're my OTP, but the potential is so fascinating...