[ SECRET POST #2329 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2329 ⌋

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Comments

Can this into a thread where we complain about the finale then?

[(Anonymous)]

It wasn't as bad as last series (but then very few things are that bad) but I don't really think I like what they're setting up for the 50th.

Like why no McGann.... why...

Otherwise please let that be the last we see of River so we can all forget what a mess became of a character with such potential.

The Finale was great, go whine somewhere else unclefucka

[(Anonymous)]

The finale was awesome though. There is nothing to hate in it. Oh and there was McGann. There was a brief glimpse of him in the echo chamber, and then a much fuller glance at him recast as John Hurt.

Re: Can this into a thread where we complain about the finale then?

[elephantinegrace]

Not just no McGann, no anyDoctor except David. I'm still bitter.

Re: Can this into a thread where we complain about the finale then?

[(Anonymous)]

My main issue with not having McGann or Eccleston is because it looks like that is the time period they're going for with Hurt. And okay, even if you're going to give the bulk of the role to Hurt, we could still use a small bit with either 8 or 9.

Though I'd prefer 8 over Hurt, there is so much you could do with him considering outside of audios we only ever had one movie.

Re: Can this into a thread where we complain about the finale then?

[ladyrogue]

IIRC, Eccleston was approached but turned Moffat down, so that's not entirely their fault.

Re: Can this into a thread where we complain about the finale then?

[(Anonymous)]

They could have still got McGann I'm sure though. He's still periodically doing Big Finish stuff, I'd think he'd be up for doing something onscreen given the chance!

Re: Can this into a thread where we complain about the finale then?

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I really don't know what to expect for the 50th with this final twist.
Also I found the last image so embarrassing with the text appearing on it... I don't even know why they thought it was a good idea.

About Jenny's "fake death" (the first one, where Strax ressurect here with science) : On one hand it was seriously ridiculous but on the other I'm happy because I'll be able to continue laughing at the people thinking Moffat is a ~monster killing all the characters~.

Re: Can this into a thread where we complain about the finale then?

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah that "introducing John Hurt as the Doctor" was weird... It jolted me out of the story very quickly.

I wasn't even really invested in Jenny's death, so there was like no suspense for me. I don't dislike the trio, but I don't really like them either? I guess that's how I'd describe my feelings.

Re: Can this into a thread where we complain about the finale then?

[(Anonymous)]

Oh yeah, I enjoy the trio most of the time but that's just because they hit tropes that I like.
There was no suspense for me because I was 90% certain Moffat wouldn't dare to kill her.

Re: Can this into a thread where we complain about the finale then?

[(Anonymous)]

Jenny's death was really.... Silly. It was good for a bit of an emotional punch in the gut, but then they went and resurrected her in under a minute (I mean, the process took that little time. "Can you bring her back to life??? Do it!!!" "Yeah sure *beep* there you go lol")

I mean it's the season finale, it can't hurt to kill one or two people off, especially when those monsters GI had with him were....what were they, exactly? What was their point? IMO, Jenny's death could have at least made them more scary (then again, Moff just can't let go of his spin-off idea, of those three being the Doctor's only gang when holy shit, they didn't even TRY TO HELP AT ALL when he was dying? They just stood there all wut)

Re: Can this into a thread where we complain about the finale then?

[fauxkaren]

And imo, JennyVastraStrax are really boring and pointless, so I would have been 100% on board with one of them being killed off.

Re: Can this into a thread where we complain about the finale then?

[(Anonymous)]

Those monsters were like some sort of Silence 2.0, only even more useless.

Re: Can this into a thread where we complain about the finale then?

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, weren't the Silence supposed to be at Trenzalore? Why create whole new characters?

Re: Can this into a thread where we complain about the finale then?

[othellia]

Oh lord, Jenny's death. At first, I was like "Wow. Moffat's going to finally kill off a character? No... No, he'd never do that."

And lo and behold, I was right. :\

Re: Can this into a thread where we complain about the finale then?

[fauxkaren]

If we're going to talk about the finale, can someone please explain what The Great Intelligence's beef with the Doctor was?

Re: Can this into a thread where we complain about the finale then?

[othellia]

Probably the same, ~mysterious~, unexplained beef the Silence had with him.

Re: Can this into a thread where we complain about the finale then?

[(Anonymous)]

He was just mad that the Doctor wrecked all his plans. That's why he made a long boring monologue (that, sadly, no one felt like interrupting) to explain that he was going to make him suffer in all his incarnations.

Re: Can this into a thread where we complain about the finale then?

[fauxkaren]

All his plans?

I've seen some of Classic Who, but not all of it. Did The Great Intelligence exist in Classic Who and did the Doctor foil his plans then?

Or is this just having to do with The Snowmen and The Bells of St. John?

Re: Can this into a thread where we complain about the finale then?

[(Anonymous)]

I know The Great Intelligence existed in Classic Who but I haven't seen the episodes where he appears (I think it was with the second Doctor).

Re: Can this into a thread where we complain about the finale then?

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

It was in classic!Who, way back in the Second Doctor. The first time the Doctor, with Jamie and Victoria (I think?) landed in Tibet and foiled a plan to invade Earth with robot yeti.

The second time, it was in London, and again, the Great Intelligence tried to invade with robot yeti.

There was also a side story called "DownTime" where it tried again and was foiled by Sarah Jane, Alistair Lethbridge-Stewart, and his daughter Kate. The Great Intelligence had manipulated Victoria (yes, the one who used to be the Second Doctor's companion) into helping it.

Re: Can this into a thread where we complain about the finale then?

[cbrachyrhynchos]

I think that's one of the failing points of this particular finale. The G.I. as delivered in this episode has all the charisma and menace of wet tissue. It was such a background player in Snowmen and Bells of Saint John that I don't really have a good feel for why it would want to commit a crime of history rewrite/suicide.

Re: Can this into a thread where we complain about the finale then?

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

Maybe because it didn't know just how much the Doctor has saved the universe outside his foiling it's own plots and a few vague stories from other races that fail to go into detail of what they were doing that he foiled (e.g. destroying the universe).

Re: Can this into a thread where we complain about the finale then?

[othellia]

I sort of like the set up. I like someone's idea that John Hurt is the final Doctor and then Ten and Eleven have to team up to destroy him, and essentially the Doctor will have to move forward knowing that he goes Dark Side and will be defeated by his past selves. But honestly, based on the dialogue I'm pretty sure John Hurt is the Doctor that ended the Time War, so there goes that.

Overall I liked the set-up, for the 50th, but that's really what the episode felt like for me: a set-up, not a finale. Like the Utopia or Turn Left.

IDK, I don't really love the Vastra/Jenny/Strax gang, so their appearances were just okay for me. I find it hard to get excited with them like I used to for Donna, Martha, Rose, Mickey, Harriet, Jack, or even Churchill reappearing. And I think a large part of the enjoyability of the first half of the episode depends on whether or not you're a fan of them/River.

One thing that confused me that I'd love to see clarified here. River's "grave" was a secret entrance to the TARDIS, and Clara started to remember stuff about JttCotT while she running through because of TARDIS warpy powers, right? But then suddenly they pop out in front of the TARDIS doors with the others surrounded by Whispermen (and they didn't even try to think of an ambush plan?). So were they or weren't they in the TARDIS? And if they weren't what were they running through that was important enough to warrant a secret entrance and why did Clara start remembering things?

Re: Can this into a thread where we complain about the finale then?

[(Anonymous)]

If the setup isn't a time war Doctor then I might be okay with it, but everything I've been seeing is pointing to John Hurt possible being like a 8.5 and I'm just not loving the idea. I may change my mind but for now I'm a bit bitter that we're most likely not getting 8 or 9 for the anniversary if this is the plot.

And I think that's where they lost me, series 6 ruined River for me and I consider the gang okay but I'm not invested in them in the slightest.

And I like Clara, but it seemed really fast to give her that level of importance. I was also a little irked at the classic who retcon, as fun as it was to see the clips of old Doctors it also seemed to disrespect the old series in a way.

Re: Can this into a thread where we complain about the finale then?

[intrigueing]

Yeah, I was all ~squee~ at the Classic Who stuff, because eh -- it's time travel. So there's a bunch of Claras running around. Whatever. Not the weirdest thing going on probably. And I thought, she mentioned that she didn't usually get through to any incarnation until she ran into Eleven. But I didn't like the one bit with One where Clara suggests the TARDIS. That...didn't that directly contradict The Doctor's Wife?

Not to mention it's sooooo self-indulgent. Like, 14-year-old-self-insert-fanfic self-indulgent. But at the same time, the self-indulgence was so OTT it made me kind of grin, because it was like, oh Moffat, you so totally wrote fanfic of this when you were a teenager didn't you? And you must have been squeeing about getting your hands on the show and getting to make it canon all this time, weren't you? :D

I'll be a tad disappointed if John Hurt turns out to be Real!Nine, though, because the idea of Nine regenerating from Eight, and of Eight developing from dancing around San Francisco smooching Grace and squeeing over the fact that his shoes fit perfectly, to fighting in the Time War and murdering all the Time Lords and Daleks at the end and regenerating into someone like Nine has always been one of my favorite arcs of all the incarnations (especially with the various things from the audios and novels in between), even though it's mostly in my head. Which is a bit of a conceit of mine, I suppose, since lol, I don't actually KNOW anything, but I'm still not keen on the idea that the Doctor went through a whole regeneration offscreen. Some things should be left open and simple, IMO.

I kinda assumed he was the Valeyard at first, since the timestream in the cave was the timestream of future!Doctor, which could totally be Thirteen. But I guess that's not what most people thought?