[ SECRET POST #2336 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2336 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

07. http://i.imgur.com/ptxicZf.jpg

[kaijinscendre]

It will only get worse as he gets more popular. Batten down the hatches.

[(Anonymous)]

The only thing that comes to my mind from the picture is the Finnish band Pariisin Kevät ("The Spring of Paris" in English)

But yeah that's seriously creepy. Privacy violations are frowned upon for a reason.

[(Anonymous)]

RPS is inherently stalkerish and creepy. Anyone who tries to say otherwise is at least a bit delusional. Honestly, they're keeping tabs on the things an actor or celebrity does during their non-working time; the people they hang out with/date/are related to, the clothes they wear, where they shop, where they go for vacation, comb over their every word in interviews, and collect photos of them as they go about their personal day - all in the name of finding "evidence" for their being in a sexual relationship with someone they know or details to make their fics better.

It wasn't creepy to you before because you were willing to ignore that in favor of you personal fantasies and your ship, and no one was doing it to you.

[(Anonymous)]

hm. since a lot of this is stuff that every single gossip magazine does, and many fans do, do you think the intent is integral to the creepiness?
I've always thought that compared to fans not respecting boundaries IRL (ie. actually stalking/doxxing), rpf is pretty mild.

[(Anonymous)]

I think gossip magazines and such are really stalkery as well, and part of the problem. They've normalized this proding and crossing personal boundaries of people in the public eye, so people don't realize or don't think of how problematic it really is when they decide to RPS.

Just because someone is famous doesn't mean they need to give up all right to personal privacy. They signed up to be an actor/politician/singer/model/whatever, not to make every part of their life an open book to anyone with passing curiosity. There shouldn't be any "comes with the territory", they should be able to do what they love without cameras flashing when they're out with their kids/shopping/vacationing/showering, and finding a report on their every move beside the candybar they want to buy.

I really hate the very idea of the paparazzi in general though. It's just so invasive. I can never stop thinking how vehemently I would hate having that done to me; it bothers me how this pov rarely occurs to the people that buy those magazines, RPS fans, and just plain rabid fans.

Enjoy the work they put out and get paid for, write your fic if you have to, but do it from what they allow to be public knowledge; there's no need poke so far you know how they take their coffee, what sort of shampoo and deodorent they use, the name and location of every person they ever dated, or the precise location of every mole, birthmark or freckle they have if they don't choose to say.

[ill_omened]

I really liked the way Charlie Brooker characterized those magazines "they cater to the casual psychopath".

As he noted, if you put the same kind of content as appears in those magazine into a scrapbook you'd be arrested as a suspected serial killer.

[deenaa]

I like you, anon. +1 to everything.

[(Anonymous)]

+1 OMG, so much yes to everything in this. This celebrity culture we have now makes we wonder how much talent we're losing on. I know I don't want to be famous b/c I don't want the papparazi stalking me 24/7 and taking pictures of me through the freaking windows of my house. There really need to be laws against this behaviour. I wonder how many other people feel the same way I do; how many decide against being actors, politicans, etc. b/c of the whole prying thing into every single thing do and have done every moment of their life.

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with all of this. You've described the fan culture I think of as creepy and invasive. Actually, worshipful seems like a good word too? The magazines/fans build the people up to unreal standards and it creates the desire to see them fall down.
I guess I just don't associate this behaviour with the rpf I've read at all, for whatever reason. I'm not really into it though, so maybe the majority of RPF writers are going through Harry Styles' garbage looking for what flavour of pizza pops he likes for *accuracy*. What do I know.

[elephantinegrace]

You're confusing RPF with stalking. I think publishing self-insert fics with oneself and a celebrity on the internet where anybody could read it is really creepy, too, but writing (smut-free) stories for yourself and maybe a few friends? I started writing real-people stories when I used to make up elaborate stories of a fellow flute player and how we were going to get married. If I didn't know them, like the girl I met on the bus a year and a half ago, I'd just make stuff up. (I don't have the patience to watch interviews or collect pictures unless they're really neat, like the photoshop of Loki guy holding a box of absolutely adorable cats, and to be honest it was mostly because of the kittens.) When I started writing for school and professionally, I'd just change the names and a few details. I even got one of them published (albeit without very successful sales). Would you consider that creepy?

[(Anonymous)]

Depends. Everyone has fantasy's about crushes and stuff, celebrity or not, and I don't really have a problem if someone prefers to write them down for whatever reason, but when you're combing over their every word to get the *exact* cadence of their voice or digging for intimate details of their family and personal history that's a problem.

[(Anonymous)]

I ship RPS - as in, I read fics, sometimes write them, but I don't believe for a second there's anything true or real in them.
I also try to hear as little as I possibly can about the people involved because it screws with my suspension of disbelief when dealing with the show/movie (I.e. I stop seeing John Doe the character and I start seeing Jack Smith the actor playing a character called John Doe)

What now?

[(Anonymous)]

well at least you have seen the light now

[(Anonymous)]

while this doesn't quite ring true to me (no reason in particular, probably just getting old and cynical) it did prompt me to search for fanfic about my family member's band (none! kind of relieved!).
It makes me wonder if people every write RPF about people they know and post it online. It sounds like something people would do, tbh.

[(Anonymous)]

I would squee so hard if I found myself mentioned in an RPS blog, even as a "slutty, brainless hanger-on". My "insulted" sense would be completely drowned out by the feeling of "omg that's me that's me that's ME!!!!!"

I guess I'm just weird like that.

[scherrymouse]

Good.

Not that this is happening to your friend, but that you've had an awakening. RPF is creepy.

[elephantinegrace]

Once, I googled myself and found my phone number, address, the last few places of employment, and the same for my parents online. Never, ever google yourself or your loved ones. No matter how famous you are or aren't, you're going to be creeped out.

[(Anonymous)]

Why is it necessarily creepy? I have a very unique name and I don't know how my phone number and address (or that of my parents) would end up online. Right now it's just a linkedin profile and some school shit. Actually I'm wondering how that happened to you? I'd like to avoid it!

[elephantinegrace]

It was mostly because there were also pictures of me, including one I didn't remember seeing before (it turns out it was taken during a friend's graduation, and she put it on facebook), as well as pictures of my parents. There wasn't a picture of my little brother, thank goodness, but it did include where he went to school. I don't remember the website, just something-pages, but it was creepy because at the time, both my brother and I were minors (although with a fairly large age gap).

[(Anonymous)]

Despite having a weird name, I apparently share it with somebody who's quite a bit better known than I am. Googling myself is a relief, since I am never the person who comes up.

[erinptah]

The thing is, "keeping tabs on someone you don't know, to the point of knowing how many cigarettes they smoke a day" is creepy and invasive whether or not it's associated with RPF. Or even fandom in general.

I mean, I'll happily write a story about Jon Stewart, Dragon Slayer, but that doesn't mean I'm creeping around his trips to the grocery store and complaining on the Internet about the people he watches baseball with on the weekends.

Sorry this is happening to you, OP -- it isn't necessarily going anywhere dangerous, but it's still not okay. And it might be prudent to get some screencaps, on the off chance you guys ever need to take legal action against this person :|

Aaannnnd this is why I stay far, far away from RPF

[nyxelestia]

RPF on its own? Not that bad.

The stuff it takes to make "good" or "accurate" RPF? That's bad.

The extents some of the more extreme fans will go for RPF? That's very bad.

And as some others mentioned below, gossip magazines and invasive paparazzi are very much part of the problem. :(

*starts extending 10-ft pole*

Good end at least.

[insanenoodlyguy]

It sucks that this happened to you, but I'm glad you finally understand.

OP here!

[(Anonymous)]

I have written RPS fics before, though never any self-inserts, but I would never have thought of actually following any of my idols to their houses and grocery shops...
I admit that I have read gossip magazines and interviews and used THAT as references for writing, but that's as creepy as I got!

In the fic author's defense, my friend and his band are pretty careless when it comes to protecting their privacy, they do include references to very specfic places in their lyrics...

Fortunately it doesn't seem like that person is ever going to attempt anything bad against us, but it still makes me pretty uncomfortable to know that someone out there is watching us from a close enough distance to see exactly what we buy when we're shopping for a party...