[ SECRET POST #2358 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2358 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

03. http://i.imgur.com/VND2Gr1.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I think you do meed to explain because I have no clue what this secret's about.

[kallanda_lee]

Glad I'm not the only one.

[(Anonymous)]

SPOILERS for The Name of the Doctor

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I think OP's talking about that bit with John Hurt very probably being an ealier incarnation of the Doctor (between McGann and Eccleston.) Which would indeed contravene the 'unbroken progression' and all that. I guess?

[elephantinegrace]

Actually, you do have to explain, because I don't know what you're talking about at all. (Matt Smith moving on?) There are still going to be regenerations after each actor decides to move on, (and let's face it, Time Lords having only thirteen bodies wasn't a rule so much as a suggestion).

[azi]

I have no idea what you're on about. Looks like I'm not alone.

[(Anonymous)]

Eeer, trying not to be spoilery here, but I assume OP is referring to the very last scene of "The Name of Doctor," people.

Spoilers ahoy

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, if that's it... I mean, I'm actually kind of glad for the fact that there was another regeneration during the Time War. It seemed weird, considering descriptions of the other Time Lords wasting regenerations while fighting and the Council waiving the regeneration rule to continue the fighting, that the Doctor only changed once. When he was supposedly on the front lines.

It just makes sense.

[othellia]

I guessing... either something to do with Matt Smith moving on or cramming in John Hurt as a suddenly new not!Doctor? I'm leaning towards the latter being the source of your frustration, but yeah.

Some explanation would be nice.

[(Anonymous)]

Who is the person on the left?

[(Anonymous)]

Christopher Eccleston.

[(Anonymous)]

You know I was thinking the same myself. That is I'm taking it to mean the regeneration process should be the same iimagining each time? I'm sort of sure what you meant was surely something like this? Feel free to mention if I'm wrong OP.

Spoiler and things

[lex_antonia]

But we don't know for certain that John Hurt is another incarnation?

Moffat likes leading you on. He said the Doctor definitely died in the Series 6 opener, and he didn't. People got all worked up over The Name of the Doctor, as though there was any chance they'd actually say it out loud on screen. And The Next Doctor wasn't the next Doctor either. If anything, the over-the-top dramatic introduction that is supposed to leave no doubt whatsoever that John Hurt's character is the Doctor is an indication that he's anything but.

The Valeyard is more likely, imo.

Re: Spoiler and things

[(Anonymous)]

"The Valeyard is more likely, imo."

This presupposes Moffat actually
A) Cares about prior canon
B) Paid enough attention to prior canon to address it properly and
C) will be able to resist his trademark move of squatting and defecating over everything that came before all for the sake of a gimmicky twist/tagline/vapid idea that goes nowhere fast. Works for sitcoms and soap operas, but not so much for good SF/fantasy, IMNSHO.

Er, yes, I agree with OP. However, I lost my patience looooooooooooong before Moffat came onboard. And I really really really really really DO NOT WANT to see the Moffat version of "Trial of a Time Lord," thanks.

vague spoilers for 50th anniversary special of Doctor Who

[transcriptanon]

[Picture is a promotional picture of the 50th-anniversary special of Doctor Who, with the logotype of the series and the close-ups of Christopher Eccleston (The Ninth Doctor) standing on the left side of the picture, and Matt Smith (The Eleventh Doctor) standing on the right.]

I didn't realize it until now, but the unbroken forwards progression of incarnations, no matter how the various regeneration scenes are portrayed, is the 2nd most important plot device after the TARDIS that gives this ever-changing show a sense of continuity from 1963 onwards.

Even when I didn't like what the show did, I never got ragey over it. If it made some people happy, that was good enough for me, because it was just one step in a story that reconciled with the past and moved into the future. In the revival, in novels and audios, in my imagination.

I don't suppose I need to explain why I'm finally pissed off now...

Re: vague spoilers for 50th anniversary special of Doctor Who

[lady_songsmith]

Actually that would be Tennant, 10th Doctor, on the right.

[(Anonymous)]

I would hold in my anger until we see where they're going with this. Or at least have an inkling of where they're going with this.

[sparklywalls]

If this is about the latest cliffhanger before the anniversary special...I honestly feel it probably isn't as simple as it looks. It never is with Moffat. I get why you might be feeling pissed off though because regardless of the explanation it is kind of jarring to have a random incarnation/half incarnation/shadow incarnation or whatever just suddenly appear. But I guess the rule of Doctor Who writers ignoring things previously established when it suits them applies here.

Unless it's a Valeyard reference, that's very much not ignoring previous continuity.

[fenm]

it probably isn't as simple as it looks. It never is with Moffat.

Gotta disagree there. When he was doing the whole "Who is River?" thing... yeah, she turned out to be exactly what a lot of people thought she was. And, oh, wow, she was astronaut who "killed" the Doctor, which people guessed with the whole "I'm in jail for killing a good man" thing. Mofat's stuff isn't really that complicated, it's more convoluted; he throws in enough Timey-Wimey and "clever" dialogue to make his stories looks smarter than they are.

[(Anonymous)]

We've already had an intermediate version of the Doctor back in classic Who so it isn't breaking new ground. Logopolis had "The Watcher" and while he didn't interact with the audience, he was no ghost because he had a (filmed through a long shot) conversation with Tom Baker's Doctor in which he filled him in on who he was and what was about to occur; he also traveled from Traken with Nyssa who revealed that while he was mysterious as all get out, he was coherent enough to spin her a yarn about being a galactic traveler.

Timey-Wimey as fuck, and that was the Classic series long before Moffat so any fan rage over whatever happens in the 50th and beyond would be grossly out of place. Plus in the RTD era David Tennant regenerated into David Tennant again, David Tennant yet again, and finally a David Tennant/Catherine Tate hybrid. When it comes to regeneration, the only rule is there are no rules that aren't fit to be broken dependent on story needs.

[(Anonymous)]

All I have to say about this is

Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey

The Doctor has explained multiple times that time is not a linear path, if you think it should be (even for The Doctor (remember, he lies)) then we haven't been watching the same show.

[intrigueing]

No. "Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey" is not an acceptable explanation. Not any more, after Moffat has used it to explain everything that made no sense for the past four years. It's not a concept that can prop up the logic of an entire storyline.

And no, the Doctor doesn't lie all the time for no reason. Eleven lies, and Seven lies. Moffat made that up out of nowhere and tried to retcon it onto the entire history of the show. And if I hear that goddamn fucking "the Doctor lies" catchphrase parroted out of the blue with no logical character motivation behind it just to excuse some stupid "cool" scene one more fucking time, I'm going to punch a hole in the screen. Didn't we have a whole secret about this a month or so ago?

So yeah, we have been watching different shows. The only show you've apparently been watching (or at least caring about) is Moffat-Who, and there were 46 years worth of Doctor Who before him which I count as being just as canon as Moffat-Who.

[(Anonymous)]

Even if John Hurt is who most people think he is (and I kind of hope he is, there's been enough switch-and-bait by Moffat already - I just want him to stay not-the-Doctor, for 9 to stay 9 and 10 to stay 10 etc.)... that progression was just broken already, wasn't it, since we never saw McGann regenerate into Eccleston...? I mean, that was always a mystery.

[(Anonymous)]

I had no idea what this secret was about, so I scrolled down to read so I could find out if anyone else knew what was going on and of course, it reinforced why I don't hang out in this fandom. Egads, it's like Moffat-hate fest every single damn time. Where are the fans that like this show? I keep trying to figure out how DW got so popular. I know I like it, but I stumbled onto it without fandom (had a RL friend suggest I check it out and frankly, I've enjoyed it. Sure it's had spots that could have been better, but overall, I've had fun watching it).

Sorry OP, but I guess my point is, why would have you explain being pissed? This seems to be a general prevalent attitude in the DW fandom :P

[tcex28]

"Unbroken progression of incarnations" is a bit bullshit, given we skipped Eight's regeneration entirely, thus leaving a gigantic grey area in the continuity.