[ SECRET POST #2419 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2419 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Way early because taking dog to the vet. :c

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Why can't people just enjoy a TV show for what it is, a TV show without focusing so desperately on shipping?

Whether a pairing is canon or not, is not the end-all, be-all of everything.

This secret is a perfect example of why Destiel shippers get such a bad rap. Delusion such as this seems to be pretty rampant in the fandom.

[tabaqui]

This.

[queerwolf]

Couldn't have said it better.

[aubry]

Conversely, why does it bother non-shippers so much that some people's interaction with media takes the form of shipping? Is it secondhand embarrassment or something?

[queerwolf]

I am a shipper but I'm not hung up my OTPs being canon and I don't get people who are.

[(Anonymous)]

The only time when I care at all about whether my ships are canon is when the characters in the ship already have some kind of canon romance; if I'm just taking two characters and making them kiss inside my head, I don't give nearly as much of a fuck. Maybe it's because I feel like I'm "losing" something if the OTP breaks up/is forced apart in canon, whereas if they were only together in fic//my head, there's no loss? idk.

[(Anonymous)]

That's pretty much how I am. I care if a canon couple that I love breaks up, but if it's a pairing that doesn't exist (and never will) outside my head/fanfic, I'm not quite as invested.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, totally. I remember being gutwrenchingly upset during Farscape at every down in John and Aeryn's relationship.

I don't know if it's an age thing, or a fandom evolution thing, or what, but it seems like so many shippers anymore are hung up on 'canon' and just can't be happy unless they get some kind of acknowledgement. It seems so weird to me. Like...just ship your shit and stop pestering the crap out of everyone else, ffs.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it's so much the shipping itself, but the desperate need to have ships become canon. That's what seems to bother so many people.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

This is it for me. When people constantly ask about Destiel becoming canon, or when Bryan Fuller's most asked question (out of all of the possibilities given the complexities of the show) is "When will Will and Hannibal kiss?" I have issues with it. I understand loving shipping; I tend to have multiple ships for a show. However, being so caught up in having your ship become canon that it is all-consuming and mentioning that it needs to become canon all the time to TPTB? (Especially when there are many in-canon reasons that it has been shown it will not be canon.) That bothers me.

[(Anonymous)]

YEEEEES.

Like, I ship Dean/Cas. I like to imagine them smooshing their faces and other parts together. But I have never considered pestering anyone in the show about it, or felt any need to have my thoughts vindicated by the show or something. Which is why I don't like to admit I'm a Dean/Cas shipper.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

I went througha brief period of shipping canon when I got involved in the Torchwood fandom.

Never again. Never the fuck again.

I personally think there is a huge freedom in shipping non-canon, in that one does not get so hung up on how canon shows the two characters and one does not get butthurt when canon fails to write the pairing right (with that "right" being very very subjective).

Of course the same outlook is also exactly where I get my huge lack of faith in how well canon sources write pairings (along with a few canons where canon pairings have been handled badly IMO).

[mekkio]

Simple, because it's insulting and annoying to be called "homophobic" if we don't agree with someone's ship. Because we don't like to see the writers and actors harassed about such and such ship because we are afraid those same writers and actors are going to go all radio silent on the rest of the fandom because of it. Because we want to have a conversation, one conversation that doesn't revolve around shipping. It's not a romantic show. It's a horror-drama. Can we please talk about the horror aspect for a change?

[aubry]

I see what you're saying. But it strikes me that most of that's really more about certain shippers doing human-interaction wrong, rather than evidence that being focused on shipping is doing TV-watching wrong.

I guess I'm interested in knowing whether people have qualms about watching a show primarily for the sake of a ship. Where love of the story-telling, or genre, or other characters is a factor, but is secondary to the shipping. Because I think a lot of fen have shows where shipping is the main enjoyment for them, and that's always been the case.

[luxshine]

I'll never get the mania that some people have to accuse non-shippers of being homophobic just for being non shippers.

If you tell me that you don't ship A/B, I'll gladly assume that you don't ship A/B and that's it. If you tell me I'm a sick pervert for shipping A/B and that A/B is an abomination... then I'll call you homophobic. But I don't understand the automatic jump to 'you probably hate gay people if you don't ship what I do'.

That said, I still hate that any group of shippers is accused of not wanting to talk about anything but shipping. Because I think it is part of the fun too. Sometimes we talk about the horror, sometimes we talk about the shipping, and I don't see why that is so 'wrong' or 'delusional'.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

I'll never get the mania that some people have to accuse non-shippers of being homophobic just for being non shippers.

Oh yes. Shipping subtext no matter how juicy and ripe with fanservice isn't more important to me than the promotion of openly queer writers and artists engaged in the production of openly queer works with openly queer characters.

[(Anonymous)]

The only time I care about being an anti-shipper is when fandom's so full of SHIPPING AND SHIPPING AND SHIPPING WARS OMG WE MUST SHIP that there's little else available. Like in OUAT - it's all pretty much ship and ship and it's kind of annoying.

And ship wars when you don't ship anything are incredibly dangerous.

[(Anonymous)]

I think some are bothered by the fact that in certain fandoms, shipping misses the point of the original work completely. If A writes a novel all about the power of m/m platonic friendship, and B starts slashing them, it kind of voids what the author was originally trying to say about the sacrifices made for bromance rather than romance. Authorial intent gets screwed for an interesting pairing.

[(Anonymous)]

I disagree with your particular example. If you write something about the power of a relationship (friendship or romantic, doesn't matter) and people are still interested in the character relationship even if it's not the way you'd intended, where's the harm?

Then again, I'm one of those people who doesn't think the power of friendship is voided by romance. Maybe I'll never get it.

[(Anonymous)]

A+

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think I'll ever get it either. I see a lot of people complaining about how romance somehow "taints" friendship and it just makes zero sense to me.

[(Anonymous)]

Hm. It's not that romance voids friendship, exactly - it's that, if the friendship is the whole point of the original work, characterisation and plot are very much rearranged by shipping the characters romantically. And in many cases the author may explicitly not want the characters shipped.

I know I will get angry replies for this, but the way I see it is this: it's the author's universe, it's in their head. Shipping twists and ignores the authorial intent if you take it as canon, and that seems kinda like a shitty thing to do to an author (or, well, anyone), even if they'll never know about it. (Example: Someone takes your straight OC and makes them suddenly gay, without your permission. Wouldn't you have issues with this?)

And I say this as someone who used to ship all kinds of pairings.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

But but, whether an imaginary romance between imaginary characters becomes approved according to a bullshit concept of media criticism is the heart and soul of fandom.

(At least according to fanfic authors and shippers.)

[(Anonymous)]

Personally, I feel like the show has been such a huge pile of shit since season 5 that I have nothing else to enjoy but wait for the next queerbait for Destiel.

As you can probably imagine, I'm not hugely involved with the series anymore.