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If you warn that an OC is one of the maincharacters, you're less likely to have people getting angry with you. Because those people know up front and skip over.

But trying to sneak it in without warning? Damn right people are going to get annoyed. This is my relaxing time. I WANT TO READ SOMETHING I LIKE. I am no longer in highschool and I'm not an editor or anything similar. I don't want to read something I'm not looking for and if someone tries to trick me into reading about an OC by not tagging for them, damn right I will make a snarky comment about OC's and backspace the hell out of there. Because you just wasted my time because you didn't have the decency to list OC in the main character area. So all you've done is piss us both off

"This is my relaxing time. I WANT TO READ SOMETHING I LIKE. "

Okay uh...I understand annoyance toward this but...that much anger. I mean dude, you can always just close the tab or back button out. I mean I never got people flying into a fucking rage because the story went a way they didn't like.

I have backbuttoned out of several stories that had unwarned character bashing. I dislike character bashing intensely. But when I see it slipped in? "blegh" I close it and find something else more pleasant. I don't feel like I'm ENTITLED to make a snarky comment because I was "tricked" into reading something I hate.(I did once comment bluntly on the OOCness of one bashfic, but that was just because everyone was praising it as a 'deep awesome fic') Yeah it's your time but....no one's making you read it. and if you choose to go another chapter of a fic you hate then...well that's your choice.

Is this concept that hard, really?

You are a moron. Did you not see that they said that it was their time by not fucking tagging for the shitty-shitty shit-crap OC and Self Insert Mary Sue then the author has wasted their time five seconds or five minutes it matters not. Damn right everyone is entitled to hatebomb that writer off the internet. They can go steal time off someone else.

Right so everyone is entitled to hatebomb someone off the internet, for wasting time because...they put up a story?

Seriously?

Are you like compelled to click on every fic you see or something? Yes tagging OCs is a good thing to do, but forgetting to do it isn't a crime. You can just as easily say "Please tag for OC".

Hatebombing is the most juvenile reaction I can imagine.

But I guess the General Internet Fuckwad Theory has caused the death of maturity on the internet.

Someone forgets a tag "OMG SPAM THEM WITH 30 REVIEWS OF CUSSING THAT'LL TEACH 'EM"

But yes. I'm a moron for not realizing that people are entitled to their hissy fits when they click on something and find they don't like it when they can just as easily calmly tell the author to include a tag for OC like a mature adult.

Silly me

I await to see your reaction when you encounter a reviewer who doesn't like what your wrote and follows your philosophy.

("shit -shit shitty." You do realize you sound like an teenager trying to be hardcore right now, don't you. Hopefully you'll grow out of it.)

Wait, are you serious??

Did you not see that they are demanding the author spend time writing up warnings and tags and whatnot - this is time out of the author's life, and it matters not if it is five minutes or five seconds. Seeing as the author has already spent so much TIME giving you free fanfic, it's obviously churlish to expect more.

That seems to be the logic of your argument, anyway.

AYRT

I don't know what you expect me to say since you told me to do exactly what I said I would do in the comment you replied to.

Well I meant the whole "I'm going to make a snarky comment" bit.

I don't see how a rude comment is needed unless they're rude when you tell them OC warnings are expected.

ayrt

Well obviously not all the time, but depending on my mood and how much of my time was wasted - I may or may not make a comment along the lines of "jfc tag for your OC's next time" and then never go back. no kudos obviously hah.

I am not foud of bait and switches >:( If your OC is going to be a main character people should tag or mention it. Depending on the fandom/what I'm looking for - I can decide if I want to read it or not but chances are if I'm looking for fanfic I don't want to read about an OC - no matter how well written

Funny how OCs are something you MUST WARN PEOPLE ABOUT OR ELSE and if you don't people have every right to be a bitch to you

But if someone had a character they HATED and through a complete hissy fit because that character had a part in the story and was not tagged , most people would just be "geez who pissed in your cheerios?"

But if someone forgets to tag OC or doesn't know that it's a thing (Maybe they're new) than that's a crime against nature.

I'm not objecting that people should warn. But the reactions i'm seeing about people feeling entitled to be jerks rather than calmly inform them that it's good manners to tag for OC, and the "HATEBOMB THEM OFF THE INTERNET" reactions.

It's just a bit ridiculous. Are we this pissy and imamture, fandom?

ayrt

I don't know where you're getting "hatebomb" from "I will make a snarky comment about OC's and backspace the hell out of there (about OC fics I've been tricked into reading)".
I'm just annoyed about untagged OCs*, you're throwing a tantrum with words like "pissy", "immature" and "hatebomb" - because I know what I want to read and get annoyed at wasting my time because someone didn't tag properly?

If you don't tag an OC as the main character in fanfiction, you cannot be surprised people will be annoyed about it and probably make a snarky comment. People (generally) do not go into fanfic for OC's.

Is it really so hard for you to understand that when it comes to something fun in my free time, goddamn yes I want to read something I like and not be surprised with main!character!OC? o_O

*untagged characters I hate being main characters will also piss me off. just tag your main characters. Yes I'm going to be annoyed if I want to read about Pepper Potts' Amazing Adventure, it's advertised as such and instead I get the monologues of Captain America.

No it isn't because I've run into things I hate too. I have a list of things that piss me off in fics. I wish people would warn for them, but some like derailing love interests I don't expect people to be self aware enough to realize they're doing it. I'm thankful that people have started to tag for bashing, but many still don't.

But I also know that I made the choice myself to read those stories and go all the way through. I realized that I could get mad at them for not warning for things, but in the end there's no reason to get really angry because the choice to stop and read it was my own.

I encountered a book at the library that had a phrasing I thought was rude and offensive in the book. I got upset about it at the time because due to weird OCD mental shit it bothered me. also I was somewhat young. There was no label on the front saying "contains crude insults" I made the choice to read that story and in the end.

Also usually bad OC fics are quite in a hurry to pull the OC in (having gone through that stage myself). usually like two chapters. I just don't see the point in blowing your top over ...like five minutes wasted. and you can usually tell by the summary.

But answer me this...why waste extra thoughts and thus extra time on a bad fic, and just move onto something else.

I apologize. "Hatebomb were the words of the other user.and I'm not throwing a tantrum and I don't think it's unreasonable to be angry when you find a fic you don't like. But....getting this enraged over it? Once i see something i really can't tolerate I leave...but I don't spend too much time thinking about it. *shrug*

AYRT

I'm just getting more and more confused by what you're trying to get across to me...

I'm not enraged, I will be frustrated or annoyed for...idk the minute it takes for me to realise the OC is a main character. I may take the 20 seconds to make a comment telling them to tag their OC's - then I will backspace off and go read something else and forget about the fic.

I get annoyed right now when I think about wasting time on anything - including untagged OC's because I hate wasting time. This is something both 'sides' get annoyed about for various reasons and the easy solution is to just tag OC's and save everyone time and frustration. I can read what I'm looking for and the author gets readers who actually want to read their OC. Everyone is happy.

>>>But answer me this...why waste extra thoughts and thus extra time on a bad fic, and just move onto something else.

I'm...I'm not? I think I've said about twice now that once I realise a fic is not what I want, I backspace. I may or may not leave a comment telling them to tag OC's. That takes like, 1 minute tops. Maybe 2 minutes if I'm on an iphone because I such at touchscreens and it's slow at posting.

Unless you're referring to this discussion? in which case I too have views that I want to share and I don't consider discussing it a waste of my time

Although now I am mostly just confused.

SA

oh I see where the "hatebomb" term is coming from now. I'm not going to hatebomb someone - may or may not make a comment that is "tag your OC's" and then go find a different fic to read.

Look...I'm sorry for sounding snippish about it.

I apologize for being a bitch about it. I just....being someone who writes OCs (I do tag them though) I'm just used to getting a constant message in fanfiction "You're not wanted here, keep your stupid stories to yourself." It's just frustrating because...while you know that not everybody likes it , and you don't expect people to like it, being reminded a lot "I wouldn't read your fic even if it was good" and always feeling like if you get pissed off when someone is rude to you you'll be laughed at for being butthurt.

I don't know, it gets annoying. All that negativity aimed at you and if you get mad you're mocked and poked.

But I understand your position. People trying to trick someone into reading stuff is really shitty for someone who has limited time.
Please forgive me for my rudeness.

ayrt

It's okay, I can see how it can be a downer. I just really don't like having OC's snuck in all sneaky like (or bait and switching main characters). If it's tagged as OC's well, I won't open the fic so I won't make an annoyed comment and everyone is good.

Although I'm sure some people would open and complain it anyway, but with OC's tagged some peoples who don't want to read it are warned and won't comment or show up.

Maybe some writers are sick and tired of the double standard where someone has to tag OC MAIN CHARACTER or else they will ***~get in trouble~*** and it's time for people to grow up and realize life is like a box of fucking chocolates and not get in a twist if you come across something that's not made to your order. Especially if it is free.

Given your reaction and the reaction of others, it's just not the matter of "is it so hard to just tag for OCs?" It's the matter of making this such a grave offense and people's nasty reactions.

OC are not hurtful or offensive in themselves. If it's that offensive to you, it's your own problem, not the writer's. Snarky comments not necessary. If the fic is not what you want, gracefully back out like you would do with any other fic that isn't what you expect of fics.

OCs get this treatment only because of convention (because people wanna read their favorite males in slash), not because they are inherently problematic. Unquestioned convention needs to be challenged hard.

TD;DR: chill out first world problem

DA

I'm not seeing the double standard. What are you referring to by that?

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I'm pretty sure you're trolling because you're throwing around words like hurtful, offensive, problematic, conventions (haha what) and double standards over OC's which isn't exactly a SJW issue so I'm basically going to ignore you

On the unlikely change you're not a troll tl;dr You wanna know why I don't want to read about OC's? Because I want to read about the canon characters. You wanna know why I may make a comment going "jfc tag your OC's"? Because they didn't tag their OC's

But if someone had a character they HATED and through a complete hissy fit because that character had a part in the story and was not tagged , most people would just be "geez who pissed in your cheerios?"

But if someone forgets to tag OC or doesn't know that it's a thing (Maybe they're new) than that's a crime against nature.

Here's the thing, retard, a canon character turning up unwarned is fine because they are part of the fucking canon. An OC turning up is not part of the canon and is something that detracts from the canon. If you are going to depart from canon and put offensive crap in into the story then you tell people so they can avoid it. The only reason you morons don't warn is because you know people will skip the story and you'll spend the night cutting yourself over the lack of views compared to the good writers in your fandom and how people won't acknowledge your greatness with your super awesome OC. You are arrogant enough to think if you try suckering people in then they will love that mega mega ultra mega cool OC who is based on the posters on your bedroom wall if only they read it, and not back button in disgust.

if you consider an OC genuinely "offensive" you need to get over yourself. Yes they are part of the canon. and an OC isn't. But i'm just illustrating like yourself making to big of a deal.

I love your stereotyping and assumption that OC writers cut when they don't get views. Really.

I always warn for OCs but I could see someone not warning because maybe they don't realize it's a thing*shrug* I just think it's sad that people get this ugly over an OC. I think OC's should be warned for just like a lot of things.

Grow up.

Kinda like I'm looking at you in pure disgust right now, eh?

But... not having OCs doesn't mean you'll automatically like a fic, and you don't automatically like all the OC-less fics you read, right? The way you find that out whether or not you like something is by reading it. The very millisecond you decide you don't like it, you can stop reading.

So... exact same method for determining whether or not you like/dislike a fic, regardless of OC content. How is that time wasted?

Agreed even if everyone tagged their OCs people would still wind up wasting their time on things they don't like. Because they will find other things to hate.

AYRT

Someone down thread explained it better, but when I'm looking for stories on Character A - I want stories on Character A. I don't want to go into something tagged for Character A, only to find out it's all about an OC or Character B or C or X.
It doesn't matter if it's well written. Maybe it's something I could even enjoy if I was in the mood and wanted to read about who it really is about. But right then at that moment? I want to read about character A and I don't like being tricked into it because urgh what's so bad about being honest and upfront your tagging.

and individually those milliseconds (or minutes depending on the writing style) will pile up and I will get annoyed if I'm constantly opening and closing fics trying to find something about Character A because yes I'm wasting time I could be reading :C So I'm saving time by having ways I filter fics out and that will include things like spelling mistakes in summaries, a low word count and yes if there are OC main characters. Just..tag your main characters and that includes OC's and we'll all be happy because I'll find what I want and the author should hypothetically get the readers they want o_O

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