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⌈ Secret Post #2454 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I only read smut with female characters (both het and yuri) when I'm in a very particular mood. The rest of the time it's all guys all the time. Sorry, I just don't usually find pussy to be sexy. Assholes and dicks all the way!

[(Anonymous)]

okay, well, the OP commented on that. what are your thoughts on what they said about this? why do you think it's different such that men who aren't into other men still read a lot of het, whereas you don't read het because you're not into women? or do you disagree that it is different?

NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

But men (at least in regards to porn) enjoy female/female a lot. And if a hetero man just watches/reads lesbian porn because he likes women, it doesn't bother me. I like slash (but do read some het) because what is better than one hot guy? TWO HOT GUYS!

Re: NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

i'm not objecting to anyone liking slash (don't think OP is either). i think what OP is talking about is people who exclusively read slash. and OP's contention (which i think is true) is that, even in regards to fic, not just porn, it's much more common for women to read m/m and not het than it is for men to read f/f and not het. in other words, there seem to be more women who just won't read het than there are men.

which, i mean, i don't think it's bad (kind of disagree with OP on that i guess), it just seems interesting to me, really.

Re: NAYRT

[fingalsanteater]

Part of the appeal of slash for me isn't just the dick on dick action, but the emotionality of two dudes being in love and junk and learning to express those emotions. (It's why all my favorite ships feature emotionally constipated guys fucking things up having all sorts of misunderstandings and sexual tension.) I think that's true for others as well.

Re: NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

That's interesting!

Re: NAYRT

[caecilia]

Yep, that's what first intrigued me about dudeslash and it's why I kept reading. We don't get to see male characters expressing feelings like that like even in romance movies it's all about them making the woman love them, like maybe they have one moment where they're like "Look how vulnerable and emotional I am, love me" and then they are just driving in their cool car with the woman.

And I like femslash because it's rare to see women in love with other women. A female knight saving the princess. A lady bachelor who just wants to find that one gal to settle down with. Two women fighting against the ultimate enemy and finding each other in the process. Women calling each other "my wife". We had a thread a short time ago where people were saying "I don't read femslash because women are usually just love interests" and I can see that, I'm sick of that too, but I don't really get it because to me this is hugely different from the typical hollywood female role. But I guess I'm also really biased.

And then I only like het when it's done just right. The characters have to be equally interested in each other, the woman can't like, sacrifice her freedom or dignity. Femdom is good too.

and now you know

'cause it's nursejoy's super short show

Re: NAYRT

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

Yes. This.

This is what I read slash for, men in relationships. The porn is a bonus, but without the emotions it gets a bit Ikea Sex.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, that was exactly the point I was making. There are a good portion of straight women who like slash who never read het, but I rarely see a straight guy who never reads het.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

da

But I can get het anywhere. It's typically het that doesn't handle women in a way I prefer, though. So I tend to read f/f or m/m (or genderswap m/f where the women involved are very close to their canon male characterization). The only het ship I'm passionate about is Buffy/Spike and that's typically written with a dynamic that I'm more likely to find in m/m slash than I do in m/f het. (Buffy tops, btw.)

Not to mention that, in my experience? Straight guys aren't really bothered when female characters are written poorly or as One Trope Wonders. You know the type - the ones that are defined by the fact that they're female. That class, traits, personality, etc are all drilled down into the fact that they're The Chick. That bothers me though. It bothers me a whole fucking lot. I get badly written female characters all the damn time. I love and treasure het fic that does a good job with female characters but I don't come across a whole lot of it. And (just like with m/m or f/f) it tends to be full of the same tropes and dynamics that hound professional media. But at least m/m or f/f handles it in a slightly new way. With m/f, it's just more of the same.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

I hadn't realised your life experiences were the be-all-end-all because it's about 50/50 for both genders on trending towards exclusively reading/watching homo on my side of the world.

So your point is less a point and just something you've seen that is not necessarily true.

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

my thoughts are exactly as I stated, though-- I like dicks. I don't care for vaginas. Two dicks and no vaginas makes porn that appeals to me.

Re: ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

cool!

[(Anonymous)]

Same, but I'm not AGAINST het, so I don't think this post really applies to me. I just like male physique and psyche very, very much.

[(Anonymous)]

Sorry, I just don't usually find pussy to be sexy

So you don't find your own pussy sexy??

I will never get this. I mean, to me, this means you just don't want the imaginary competition of some other girl's pussy near your fictional guys. And that's...pathetic, tbh.

[(Anonymous)]

I think you're missing the point, anon.

When someone says "I don't like pussy" and they're talking about het sex scenes, it's not "pussies should never exist," it's "I don't need flowery descriptions of some woman's parts in my sex scene, because I have no interest in her folds or juices or what the hell ever." I don't find other vaginas appealing, and so have no urge to read about them in detail.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

So, obviously, the girls who do like to read het sex that describe vaginas are all secretly bisexual or lesbians because that obviously means they find pussy appealing! LOL. What even is this logic?

This is literally the most hilarious thing because you will never find a guy who reads het fic say, "Oh, I can't read it because I don't like dick."

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

No, it means the girls who do read het sex are less bothered by it than me. Ta-da! Look at how we all coexist and dislike or like things for different reasons.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Well, there are actually straight guys who'd say that about het porn wherein the male participant is actually featured prominently. Which is not a lot, if you've noticed. Het porn is made with straight men as consumers in mind, after all.

But I feel like you're going off of vary narrow definitions of sexuality with this, as though people can only be turned on by the "appropriate" body parts. In reality, people get aroused by the weirdest things, and it's very subjective. Some people even find sex itself sexy, so they can get off to any porn regardless of preference. It's not at all weird for some straight women to be turned off by description of female bodies in porn, while others can get along just fine. Different strokes. I'd say it'd be "weirder" to find lesbians who are into gay porn, but they exist too.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

You're either an idiot or a troll intentionally trying to miss all the points because you want to prove how ~socially aware~ you are

[(Anonymous)]

It means you've drank the fucking kool aid the patriarchy shoved at you that says dudes are good and girls are bad.

What a good little sheepie you are!! *claps*

[(Anonymous)]

That and anyone who lubricated like a pornfic chick IRL should had to the gynecologist ASAP.

[wauwy]

So you don't find your own pussy sexy??

lmao what?

[(Anonymous)]

Your icon and your comment being together are making me laugh out loud something terrible

[(Anonymous)]

So you don't find your own pussy sexy??

Well... no? I mean, I do sexy things with it, but I am not, in fact, attracted to my own genitalia, nor my own body in general? I mean, it's not like most women see much of their own vulvas anyway, unless they're using a mirror or bending waaay over.