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⌈ Secret Post #2460 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I hate the thing that says that drunk people are apparently not allowed to have sex. I mean, yeah, if one party is so drunk they're barely conscious, that's one thing, but... two semi-responsibly drunk people, enough to decide to be shy enough to turn 'wanting to get laid' into 'actually going home with someone you met earlier that night' or 'turning an acquaintance/crush into a fuckbuddy or potential partner' is pretty much... normal sex. At least, normal for a large portion of young people.

If you're my friend and you think the other person is creepy, or you think that I have misjudged my level of consciousness, please let me know. Otherwise... mind your own business.

[(Anonymous)]

I would be a little more cautious, and say that a sober person who intentionally tries to get with a drunk person (or tries to get someone drunk) even if the drunk person is only semi-drunk, not almost unconscious, that's pretty horrible too.

But for the rest of your comment, yup. I mean, people? If I decide that I want to drink a couple beers to thaw out my tongue-tying self-consciousness before I go try to score with that guy I've wanted to bang for weeks, you do not get to fucking tell me I just got raped.

[(Anonymous)]

the thing is, you can't always tell when someone is drunk. for some people it's really obvious, but for others it isn't. one of my friends just gets really chattery and happy and social and not otherwise impaired when she's drunk... and then she just suddenly gets tired and falls asleep. you honestly can't tell that she's drunk until she gets to the falling asleep part.

[(Anonymous)]

And if you make a pass at her and she responds, I suppose you'd better administer a field sobriety test to make sure she can give consent, so as not to commit RAPE on her person.

Or something.

[(Anonymous)]

I think a lot of this stuff is coming from people who have very little experience of alcohol (and tend to be a little scared of it or judgey about it) and don't realize just how vast a spectrum there is between "pleasantly buzzed" and "too drunk to walk/talk/know where they are/consent." Or that some people drink to lower their inhibition on purpose because they want their inhibitions lowered, like you said, specifically so they can drown out their inner shyness and actually maybe get laid. Is it a healthy way of dealing with things? Not really. Is it rape though? NOPE.

For an experienced drinker, two or three beers or glasses of wine is not going to make you too sloshed to consent. (You shouldn't drive, true - but drunk sex is unlikely to kill anyone instantly; there's a scale of risk here.)

[(Anonymous)]

Depends on where you are, and what the local legal standard for "impaired" is.

[(Anonymous)]

I wonder how these people would react if they ever went to a college party. By their logic, half the people there would be raped and/or a rapist.

[(Anonymous)]

This so fucking much. If I am sober enough to be able to say no to a guy, then I am also sober enough to be able to say yes. Having a couple of drinks does not turn me into a brainless, helpless baby and I really resent the implication that it does.

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Doubly so when no one ever, ever, ever, ever implies that having a few drinks turns a man into a brainless, helpless baby.

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly. It's a ridiculous double standard. Either you're responsible for your actions after a few drinks or you aren't. And given that the law says if you get into a car and drive after drinking, you can be prosecuted for it? Seems to me the answer there is pretty simple.

[(Anonymous)]

Ehhhh...IA about the idiocy of the double standard, but I disagree about the rest. If you drunkenly misjudge your movements during sex, it's rare that you'd get anything worse than a broken nose from a poorly-placed elbow. If you drunkenly misjudge your movements in a car, you could kill several people.

[(Anonymous)]

Except that there are enough people who give men a free pass when it turns out they were drunk.
"C'mon, he didn't mean any harm. He just beat you up because he was drunk. He didn't realize it was you because he was too intoxicated".
This was legit being said to me when I tried to seek help after my ex had beaten me nearly unconcious. Additionally, people started to pity HIM because he was an alcoholic and urged me to forgive him and give him a second chance.
Also funny he apparently "didn't realize it was me" when he called me by my name more than twice while he was attacking me.

Men are getting infantilized all the time and it's not always done to give them a disadvantage. On the contrary, what about all the people who claim that men can't help raping someone once in a while because they can't control themselves when they see something that sexually excites them? That's turning men into brainless people to EXCUSE their crimes.

[(Anonymous)]

I have yet to encounter many people who claim drunks aren't allowed to have sex, especially in fandom where the "the only way to get A and B into bed is to bust out the booze" trope is omnipresent. I have, however, encountered plenty of people who claim that people shouldn't drink if they don't want to regret their outbreak of sluttiness the next day and then "cry rape". As if we should all shrug and go "oh well" if rape is committed as a result of drinking on the part of anyone involved. I think the latter is a much bigger problem, but that's my opinion.

[(Anonymous)]

But the thing is with drunk sex where both parties were equally drunk: If the woman cries rape the next day, nobody asks why she was the one who was raped and the guy wasn't.

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's pretty confusing. There's clearly a level at which one is without the power to consent- they're physically incapable of thinking cogently -but there's a huge range of sobriety to blackout drunkenness, wherein one is largely capable of semi-clear thinking. I know I've turned guys down when I'm buzzed, so I was totally capable of consenting at those times. It's necessary to draw a line in the sand, though.