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Comments

Re: Unpopular opinion thread

[fleshisyummy]

If given the choice, I would likely choose to save a puppy over a baby out of a fire.

People like you scare me. This isn't the first time I've heard this, and it just implies a complete lack of empathy and humanity.

Re: Unpopular opinion thread

[(Anonymous)]

Why? Could you elaborate on that?

Assuming you could only save one, is someone who would leave a puppy to die more moral and empathetic and "human"? Why? Could you elaborate on that too?

Re: Unpopular opinion thread

[fleshisyummy]

Do I really have to explain this? It's kind of an innate thing.

A puppy will live for like 15 years as a pet. A baby has the capacity to grow to be intelligent and emotionally complex and have a strong impact on the world. A person can love someone in the way a dog never could.

I'm...not really saying anything controversial. If I stood up in class and told people I value a puppy's life over a human baby's, people would think that I was a sociopathic nutjob.

Re: Unpopular opinion thread

[(Anonymous)]

I understand the difference between a puppy and a baby, trust me. It's not hard.

What I was asking was why does picking the baby make one more "human" though? What is innately "human" about choosing the baby? What is innately sociopathic about saving a dog?

Honest to god, I'm not a sociopath. I would never leave a baby to die or intentionally hurt or neglect one in any way. If forced into the situation of leave the baby or leave the puppy, though? I'd leave the baby. That's all.

Re: Unpopular opinion thread

[fleshisyummy]

It's human because you're saving your fellow human. Not that hard.

I didn't say saving a dog is sociopathic. If a dog was in danger, I would save the dog. We're talking about a crazy hypothetical situation where you have to choose between the lives of a baby and a dog. In every case, I would pick the baby.

I don't know enough about psychology to say you're a sociopath, but I find your mindset really creepy and disturbing. You're not going to change my mind.

Re: Unpopular opinion thread

[(Anonymous)]

Sure thing, and you won't change mine, either.

I don't believe in deciding moral weight simply by way of what something is born as, especially if said thing hasn't even had the time to fully become what it will eventually be. A caterpillar is not a butterfly. A tadpole is not a frog.

There are animals who deserve to live far more than some humans, and something simply being human is not enough to make them worth more than every other type of living creature to me.

Re: Unpopular opinion thread

[(Anonymous)]

How about you rescue the baby because someone else loves it more than the puppy or the baby has the potential to love/care for someone else in the future than the dog?

Re: Unpopular opinion thread

[fleshisyummy]

Exactly. If you had a choice between saving a couple's puppy and their baby, they would be much less sad if the puppy died. The fact of the matter is that people love other people more than animals. Nothing is going to change that.

Re: Unpopular opinion thread

[(Anonymous)]

This is assuming things that are not in the scenario.

What if the baby's parents are dead? Who is going to care for it? What if it has no relatives? It'll cost people more to take care of it for 18 years and may not even end up a good person in the end.

What if the baby has no one and was going to die in a year because of a genetic disorder, and the puppy is young, healthy, and has owners that love it and would love it for 10+ more years? What if the dog is the sole companion of a frail 90 year old lady and it's the last remaining part of her family there is? What if the dog died, she'd die of heartbreak too?

You can extend any kind of scenario to this, once you start.

Re: Unpopular opinion thread

[(Anonymous)]

In that case, I would be too busy freaking out about the situation that this malevolent trickster god had put me in to worry about the puppy and the baby.

Re: Unpopular opinion thread

[(Anonymous)]

As long as we're sticking some epic bullshit in this, what if the puppy grows up and mauls several people to death?

Re: Unpopular opinion thread

[(Anonymous)]

One could just as easily say that it's "sociopathic" the way you dismiss the life and value of a dog. I personally find the whole "animals are just *things*" outlook to be profoundly lacking in empathy.

Re: Unpopular opinion thread

[(Anonymous)]

I'm guessing it's because a baby has tons more potential than any dog. A dog will never grow up and become a fully realized sentient person. It will always be a dog. A baby will not always be a baby. Not sure if that's what other people are going for, but that's my view on it.

Re: Unpopular opinion thread

[(Anonymous)]

OP here

Answered that above.

"if we're going to get into potential, a baby who grows up into one wonderful human being has more potential to do good than a very good dog. On the flip side, one terrible human being has much more potential to destroy things than even a very bad dog. That's why I'd rather leave the "but it could turn out so good/so bad!!" out of the equation"

Re: Unpopular opinion thread

[(Anonymous)]

No, it implies a preference for puppies over babies. There's nothing innately wrong with seeing more value in one helpless creature over another.

Re: Unpopular opinion thread

[fleshisyummy]

Well, most people would think you're fucked up for preferring animals over your fellow human. You can believe what you want, but I find this mentality really disgusting.

Re: Unpopular opinion thread

[(Anonymous)]

What is so innately good about the "fellow human" that all of them deserve to be rescued?

What about the mere fact that they are human, makes them good or preferable?

Re: Unpopular opinion thread

[fleshisyummy]

Why don't you go debate this in philosophy class?

I'm sure they'd all love to hear on why you think dogs are better than people.

Re: Unpopular opinion thread

[(Anonymous)]

OP here

Because you started it here?

And I never said dogs are better than people. I don't think that anon did, either. I said I don't think humans are innately better than dogs simply by way of being human. Not better =/= worse!

Re: Unpopular opinion thread

[fleshisyummy]

You literally said you were revolted by infants. The fact that you find a puppy more worthwhile to save than a human baby implies that you find the puppy "better." I said I would rather save the baby which implies that I find the baby "better."

The choice implies a preference. There's no getting around that, and you made yours.

Re: Unpopular opinion thread

[(Anonymous)]

OP here

Um, wait, hold on a minute, no? No wonder you started with the sociopathic thing. I said I feel the same vague disgust at babies that I would at any other ugly animal. But that doesn't mean I don't care about it or would kick it around just because it's ugly. I find star moles ugly but I would care for a sick one if one wandered by, even if I still think it looks pretty weird.

I "like" puppies more. This isn't a moral judgment about "better" or "worse." The only one imposing the moral judgment is you.

Re: Unpopular opinion thread

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

I think it's interesting how you, the supposedly more moral and empathetic one, can't debate this without constantly throwing around insults like creepy/disturbing/disgusting/fucked up/nutjob, while the people you're calling all those things are being perfectly civil to you.

Re: Unpopular opinion thread

[fleshisyummy]

Yeah, sorry for not being too kind to people who would prefer to save a freaking dog over me as an infant.

If I find an opinion completely revolting, I'm not going to go out of my way to be civil. Sorry.

Re: Unpopular opinion thread

[(Anonymous)]

Actually, I would attribute that to the emotional response they clearly emit, while your and other replies seem to be based on a, let's say more calculating, basis. While that scenario seems to faze relatively few of those who replied positively to the op, fleshisyummy is clearly seeing this in a very emotionally charged way (which doesn't necessarily make them unfit for discussion).
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that's just my opinion though

Re: Unpopular opinion thread

[(Anonymous)]

The only non-empathetic choice would be to save neither.