[ SECRET POST #2494 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2494 ⌋

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[Noel Fielding, formerly of The Mighty Boosh]


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[American Horror Story: Coven]


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[Once Upon A Time]


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[The Caves of Steel]


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[Steam Powered Giraffe]


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Comments

What I don't get about every slash wank...

[(Anonymous)]

...is that both sides, pro-slash and anti-slash, always bring up the subject of compelling, well-written female characters in canons.

Of course there are plenty of well-written female characters. 9 out of 10 of my favourite characters of all times are women. But no matter how well-written a female character is and how much I like her, I will never want to read loving descriptions of her vagina and things that go in and out of it. It's just not the part of her that I find particularly interesting.

Re: What I don't get about every slash wank...

[(Anonymous)]

But some people do argue that they prefer slash shipping -- not just slash smut -- because there are so few well-written female characters. I don't agree with them either, but they do make that argument.

Re: What I don't get about every slash wank...

[(Anonymous)]

Well, I think they do have a point. I also kind of agree with the point that there should be more women in fandom. But at this point I'm not going to worry about it and just ship what I want to ship.

Re: What I don't get about every slash wank...

[(Anonymous)]

There should be more women, and some of them are badly written, but I've noticed that even in the fandoms that have lots of well-written female characters, people will dismiss them as Mary Sues and go on to complain about lack of interesting women and "that's why I ship dudes". But there are PLENTY of wonderful women in fandom.

Also, this argument doesn't hold much water considering how many people shit guys who have shown up on screen for five minutes, who have had zero character development, or are just mentioned in passing, or are terribly written. So I honestly don't buy it at all when people say it's about lack of interesting female characters.

Re: What I don't get about every slash wank...

[(Anonymous)]

OP

I know, that's why I wrote that both sides are doing it. Or maybe I'm just weird and I'm the only person who reads smut in order to get off, while other people read it and write it purely for literary values.

Re: What I don't get about every slash wank...

[(Anonymous)]

Literary values seems like a really weird way to justify reading smut to me.

It feels like you're saying you look at drawn porn* for artistic merit. I mean there's sometimes something there, but it's usually a bad place to look.

Re: What I don't get about every slash wank...

[(Anonymous)]

It's probably because more prominent girls would presumably mean somewhat equal amounts of slash, het, femslash in fandom if fanfic writers were an equal guys and girls.

But yeah, fanfic writers are a majority of guy-liking girls the point is kind of moot.

Re: What I don't get about every slash wank...

[(Anonymous)]

the recent AO3 survey would disagree with you. The majority of slash writers are queer women.

Re: What I don't get about every slash wank...

[(Anonymous)]

correct me if i'm wrong here but "queer girl" and "guy-liking girl" are not mutually exclusive categories afaik

Re: What I don't get about every slash wank...

[(Anonymous)]

Oh really? That's actually kinda of interesting!

What's the demographics for femslash?

Re: What I don't get about every slash wank...

[(Anonymous)]

How many of these queer women are bisexual?

Re: What I don't get about every slash wank...

[(Anonymous)]

Do you mean the "survey" that someone ran through their tumblr, that was seen primarily by their tumblr followers or people who follow their followers and saw it reblogged? The one that completely lacked a random representative sample due to its methodology and thus provides no actual useful data on the makeup of AO3 users? That one?

Re: What I don't get about every slash wank...

[tabaqui]

Yeah, i agree with that last bit. I'm a woman, have had sex with women *and* men, and...het sex and f/f sex in detail in a fic just *does nothing* for me. I have no interest. I've been there, done that, i can go do it in the other room if i really feel the need.

I have no opinion on the wank - i mostly ignore it, it's just silly.

Re: What I don't get about every slash wank...

[fleshisyummy]

Okay, cool, but a lot of people don't exclusively read smut.

Re: What I don't get about every slash wank...

[(Anonymous)]

Shipping doesn't necessarily mean smut.

Smut doesn't necessarily mean loads of descriptions of buttholes or vaginas or breasts or whatnot.

And not everyone can ONLY read smut of people they are sexually attracted to. Lots of people (dare I say most?) can and do put themselves in the shoes of the character of their own gender and get off to it. The number of straight women who read Fifty Shades, for example.

Re: What I don't get about every slash wank...

[kamino_neko]

Shipping doesn't necessarily mean smut.

THANK YOU.

Re: What I don't get about every slash wank...

[caecilia]

I don't get why there are always people who say "I just don't like reading about vaginas!" I honestly can't think of too many femslash fics (or het for that matter) that really focused on the vagina that much, they were more about the relationships, although to be fair, I tend to read more relationship-driven things. You like or dislike whatever you want, it just gets kind of frustrating when people assume that a romantic story about a woman or between two women is nothing but vagina descriptions.

Re: What I don't get about every slash wank...

[(Anonymous)]

Even in my heaviest Mulder/Scully shipping days, reading tons of explicit smut fic, I don't recall reading really detailed vagina descriptions (or penis descriptions, for that matter).

Re: What I don't get about every slash wank...

[(Anonymous)]

I don't get it either tbh. They act like every het fic, femslash or female centric is smut and is just shoving vaginas and the fact those characters have them in their faces. It's kind of baffling. There's more than just smut out there so it kind of makes me side-eye those people just a little bit when they make such a big deal out of it.

Re: What I don't get about every slash wank...

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, this is why I don't read much femslash. I like vaginas and I like dicks. But m/m slash (or het) is way more likely to be very graphic about genitals than most f/f fic I've seen. So I don't really seek it out because I expect it to not be the type of porn I like.

Re: What I don't get about every slash wank...

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not interested in female characters having relationships. I got plenty of that in my early teens with all the harlequin romances and mary sue fics I've read and written. Now I'm more interested in reading about female characters having adventures and kicking ass, while male characters have harlequin-like gary stu relationships and love dramas.

Re: What I don't get about every slash wank...

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Seriously, I started reading romance novels when I was 11. After twenty years, I've moved on to slash with (one hopes) good female characters in the background, or stories entirely about women that don't emphasize romance.

Re: What I don't get about every slash wank...

[ariakas]

I'm kinda' the same. I don't want to read about women in romantic situations, because that's where practically all women end up in fiction. Whereas there are shittons of male characters either don't end up in a romantic situation at all, or at least it's not the focus of their story arc. I love stories about women adventuring and kicking ass and dealing with politics and saving the day and even being the big bad villain.

But ships? Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. When it comes to romance, I'm tired of it. I'd rather put the dudes there (especially since they're probably the ones adventuring and kicking as in canon) while the ladies (who are often the love interests in canon) are adventuring and kicking ass in fic. For example, in what I'm currently writing for Metro Last Light, the two dudes - who Do All the Things and Save Everyone in canon - are having relationships, while the one female character - who exists only to be rescued and then given as a sexual reward to the protagonist in canon - is leading an organization to help the survivors rebuild (i.e. Doing the Things and Saving Everyone).

Is that blatantly escapist and wish-fulfilling? Sure, but no more than the original canon story.

Re: What I don't get about every slash wank...

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Huh? As a slasher critical of what some slash has become, that's not a primary concern.

Re: What I don't get about every slash wank...

[(Anonymous)]

Would you mind going into detail about what some of your concerns are? I'd like to hear your thoughts and what you're critical about when it comes to some slash.