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Re: Non-fandom confessions

[iceyred]

I'm still a Republican. I sometimes think about leaving the party, but then some whiny idiot will say something entitled and I'll be like...

...Nope.

Re: Non-fandom confessions

[(Anonymous)]

How does a whiny idiot saying something entitled make you stick with a party you seem to dislike? There are whiny entitled idiots in all parties.

Re: Non-fandom confessions

[iceyred]

There are different kinds of whiny idiots. Some kinds, I can tolerate. Other kinds, I wish to slap.

It's not that I dislike the GOP, it's more that I know it could be better and more reasonable. I blame the Tea Party for most of my dissatisfaction.

You're quite right though. There are whiny idiots everywhere.

Re: Non-fandom confessions

[(Anonymous)]

...I'd think you'd see more whiny entitled idiots in the Republican party, but that probably depends on where you live.

Re: Non-fandom confessions

[iceyred]

The idiot:sane ratio is roughly equal in both parties. It mostly depends on how you define idiot. Most people on the internet define it as someone who does not agree with them.

Re: Non-fandom confessions

[(Anonymous)]

I can completely understand that. I definitely do the same kind of thing sometimes.

I mean, I think at some point it would be better to have a motivation beyond spite, but it's fucking hard. It's hard to move beyond that. I mean, it's hard for me. But I should try more and, I don't know, I think it would be for the best if I could.

Re: Non-fandom confessions

[iceyred]

It's a little more than just spite. The entitled remind me of why I joined the GOP in the first place.

Re: Non-fandom confessions

[(Anonymous)]

DA

But what about all the entitled from within the GOP? "Entitled" is not something that is unique to Democrats or Liberals or whatever group you seem to be referencing.

But I get the general gist of what you're saying.

Re: Non-fandom confessions

[(Anonymous)]

O well fair enough then, I guess.

Re: Non-fandom confessions

[scrubber]

I have a mini version of this going on all the time where I get on the internet and see a bunch of nonsensical pompous liberal bullshite then I'm like "Christ am I conservative or what" but then I listen to an argument between my Liberal Democrat Uncle, Conservative Democrat Uncle, and Conservative Republican Dad and it's like Battle of the Blowhards and then I just think "Christ nuke them all."

Re: Non-fandom confessions

[(Anonymous)]

...this is exactly how Canadians feel, watching Question Period, these days.

(Why can't old Bess just fire the Tory-in-the-PM's-pocketbook, depose Fuhrer Harpo, and set up Elizabeth May as the honourary Queen of Canada? Sure, nothing would get done, but at least the country wouldn't resemble Germany ca. 1939 anymore....)

Re: Non-fandom confessions

[starphotographs]

Battle of the Blowhards

LOL. Pretty much.

Re: Non-fandom confessions

[(Anonymous)]

I'm almost afraid to ask what you mean by "entitled"...

Re: Non-fandom confessions

[iceyred]

The example that comes to mind is someone I knew in high school. We graduated ten years ago. She has not gone to school, has not sought jobs that give her in-demand skills, and was content to live off her boyfriend until he dumped her. She keeps whining about how she's too good for retail jobs and nothing pays enough so she's just gonna live on welfare.

Another example was this one woman I talked to who went to cash a check at a bank. Since she didn't have an account they charged her a percentage. This is obviously a big business taking advantage of the little guy and government should step in to stop this horrific abuse.

It's one thing if somebody NEEDS help, or if there is a legitimate issue that the government needs to address. It's another kettle of fish if somebody is just lazy and needs to get their shit together.

Re: Non-fandom confessions

[anonymouslyyours]

These seem like really weaksauce reasons? IDK I just think we have a lot bigger problems than a handful of lazy people. Like giant corporate welfare queens who own our politicians and seem determined to run our country into the ground. They sure as hell seem to do a lot more damage than all of the anecdata lazies put together, though they use the anecdata as sleight of hand to distract from their abuse so I guess you could make the argument that if everyone bootstrapped up they'd have nothing left to hide behind?

The system is broken, I don't think anyone argues that. I just don't understand how blaming the individuals victimized into/or taking advantage of the system is going to fix it.

eta: also I strongly agree with you that it's ridiculous someone would rather stay on welfare than get a retail job, just not for reasons you might think. I mean, why would a retail job pay less thanwelfare which is by definition supposed to be just enough to ensure a basic living standard.

In my area I know way too many girls who didn't receive adequate sexual ed or sexual health resources then got pregnant, couldn't afford college and now can't get a job that wouldn't cost them to give up welfare for. No one is going to take a job that pays a less than survivable wage, add in daycare expenses, and be away from their child just to have the "dignity" of working.

Re: Non-fandom confessions

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

I would argue that it's better to benefit some people who are lazy shitheads if it allows us to make good policies that benefit people who need help and who are facing legitimate issues, rather than to screw over people who really need help if it allows us to also punish people who are lazy and need to get their shit together.

I mean, at the end of the day, I don't know if you can be granular like that with policy. I think it makes more sense to think about the policy being good or bad on the basis of its effect, and I think a strong welfare system is genuinely good from a policy perspective. But then I also probably think that there's a lot more people who genuinely need help and a lot fewer people who are lazy or entitled than you do, and that's just a difference of opinion.

I guess I'd also say that I'm more worried about restraining the extremely wealthy and the giant corporations and the bankers than about any of that, because I think that stuff is a lot more harmful in day to day life than maybe some lazy people get some money, but that's another argument.

Re: Non-fandom confessions

[(Anonymous)]

I'm curious, did you get the numbers? I roll my eyes at Example #1's claim that she's "too good" for any honest job (though, in all fairness, retail does absolutely suck and I hate it with the fire of a thousand suns.) But how rational and/or ethical her choice is depends on a lot of factors--has she got any kids, what retail jobs are actually available to her, how much do they pay, how many hours and how reliable a schedule, what's the cost of living in her area, what assistance would she still qualify for if she WAS working, and how much better (or worse) would she make out on just welfare?

And whether the bank charge in Example #2 is exploitative or not really depends on the amount of the check and the percentage they charged. If she paid two or three bucks on a few hundred dollars, that's a slightly different matter than paying five bucks on fifty, for example.

Re: Non-fandom confessions

[(Anonymous)]

"Some idiot will say something entitled" is usually just code for "Fuck poor people, children minorities. Fuck everyone." Oh and, "Fuck paying taxes. I don't want my tax dollars going to pay for poor people to have things like food and shelter. They need to learn where their bootstraps are and how to lift themselves up by them."

Re: Non-fandom confessions

[iceyred]

Wow, you seem to like putting words in my mouth. Tell me what else I believe in. I'm curious to know.

LOL, JK. You're an asshat. But thank you for pointing out why I only admit this online. It's because of idiots like you who see 'Republican' and start making gross assumptions.

For everyone reading this, I want you to know that the Republican Party in my hometown held weekly breakfasts where candidates would come and talk to anybody who cared to show up. Every week they would collect money for the food bank. Not liking welfare=/= hating poor people.

Re: Non-fandom confessions

[anonymouslyyours]

I get your point and maybe ayrt was tactless but when leaders, representatives, and other public figures of your party are saying heinous things about the poor and attempting to pass laws and bills that show either incredible ignorance or outright contempt for poor people that's kind of what that party/label is going to be judged on, not on what your local form of it is doing.

And come on, your original comment was vague and included a word Republicans routinely use while making douchecanoes out of themselves. So, like, maybe some clarification on what you meant would not have been amiss.

Ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

I don't have to make gross assumptions though, because I can judge your thoughts by your parties actions and, sorry, but elected Republicans and powerful Republicans and talking-head Republicans and the plain-ol' everyday Republicans I know have shown themselves to be bigoted, classist, racist, misogynistic, disenfranchising, treasonous assholes.

It doesn't matter how many cans of food your local chapter donates, you are still the ones voting in the people who want to take away women's choices and regulate them, who aren't interested in equal rights, who put tens of thousands out of a job and reveled in it.

Re: Non-fandom confessions

[(Anonymous)]

Oh and, "Fuck paying taxes. I don't want my tax dollars going to pay for poor people to have things like food and shelter. They need to learn where their bootstraps are and how to lift themselves up by them."

Steer clear of Rush Limbaugh yes and talk to a sane Republican about that. He or she might actually have a point, that isn't that classist.

Re: Non-fandom confessions

[(Anonymous)]

Both parties have too much shit in them for me to root for either one of them.

Re: Non-fandom confessions

[iceyred]

Fair enough.

Re: Non-fandom confessions

[(Anonymous)]

I used to be a Republican. My parents (now 15+ years deceased) were staunch Republicans, and I consider them to have been good people, though like everyone else they did have their biases, misconceptions and blind spots. And I still lean less far to the left than a lot of people around here. So I feel you, somewhat.

My husband and I--who, I should note, both have some college, have in the past done better financially, and have paid taxes that helped fund assistance programs for other people--work several part-time jobs between us, but we still need food stamps and some medical assistance; we may qualify for other programs, but we prefer to get by without them. And I have seen people at the DHHS office whose pricey gear and grooming make it hard not to wonder just how well they live and whether they're working as hard and doing without as much as we are.

I do have to say, though, that I find remarks like Charles Koch's infamous "I just want my fair share, and that's all of it!" to be indicative of a much more deeply troubling brand of entitlement on the part of the conservative elite than any welfare recipient may be guilty of. Not least because they appear to be getting frighteningly close to making good on that wish. Nobody likes government waste, but some of the policies and "reforms" they're pushing are avaricious and plain mean-spirited no matter how you slice it, especially when you look at the size and bloat of the defense budget and corporate subsidies that they categorically refuse to consider trimming.

I really do believe that letting some lazy entitled people slide is the lesser evil, when the alternative is to hurt a whole lot of people who are trying hard, but fighting an uphill battle against those who are already wealthy and now want to vacuum up the little bit they've left the rest of us.