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⌈ Secret Post #2502 ⌋

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Comments

[fauxkaren]

lmao

The Ninth Doctor absolutely would have done that.

Like

Did y'all miss the scene where instead of using his magical time machine to let Rose have a few hours with her mom after her mom had been missing her for a year, the Doctor called Rose and was all "there's an awesome nebula and the train is leaving the station!"?

Nine could be a total dickbag too.

Also, Harriet Jones DID just slaughter a ship full of thousands of beings.

ALSO ALSO Ten is punished narratively for his actions because removing Harriet from power created the power vacuum that allowed Saxon to rise to power.

[(Anonymous)]

it's not just that he does a dickish thing, it's that he does it in such a smug, dickish way

[(Anonymous)]

that was my major problem with 10. he did everything in a smug, dickish way and i spent all the time he was on screen wanting to punch his smug, dickish face.

[(Anonymous)]

You're not me are you, because, yes, so much this.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

I giggled unreasonably loudly when I read this.

[elephantinegrace]

I think that scene makes a lot of people angry because of the sly, underhanded way that he facilitated Harriet's removal. I understand and totally agree with his reasoning for what he did, but I still felt really uncomfortable when he did it.

[(Anonymous)]

He was being a dick after she had a reasonable argument in her favor: he can't actually always be counted upon to come and do what he said he would do, which was be humanity's protector in time of urgent crisis.

As for the Ninth doctor and the nebula, the sense I got was that he wasn't being so much deliberately cruel as just not in touch with basic human connection; didn't Rose give him what for on that, anyway?

[(Anonymous)]

This. The ship full of thousands of beings she slaughtered had intended to conquer her planet and enslave her species.

I won't judge her for deciding the way the Doctor handled the situation was not sufficient.

[bringreligiontothewamwams]

The Doctor had brokered terms. When the Sycorax broke them he got a free trip via gravity airways to a concrete splashdown. When Harriet broke them, she got removed from power but otherwise escaped alive. She should count herself lucky. Especially since Captain Concrete had only attempted to stab the Doc in the back, Harriet was successful in her murder attempt on the retreating.

Bad form in all wars to shoot a surrendered and fleeing enemy, if for no other reason than you give the next enemy no reason to try surrendering or fleeing (Julius Caesar won a war by making sure his troops didn't have that option). The next invader may or may not be put off, but Harriet's actions ensured that if weren't put off then they were there to fight and win because they couldn't trust any offer of truce. She made Earth less safe, not more.

[(Anonymous)]

The thing is that Earth is not a powerful enough planet (at least at the time) to be able to offer terms and make truces without the support of the Doctor. It did not have the strength and the ability to do that

[(Anonymous)]

The Doctor had no right to broker terms on behalf of Earth without at least consulting the leading politicians and rulers.

[(Anonymous)]

SO much this. A well-crafted rebuttal.

[lex_antonia]

And why on Earth (pun intended) would Harriet Jones be bound to the terms the Doctor negotiated? Not his planet, not his call to make.

[diet_poison]

I disagree with that; she did not need to shoot them at that point. BUT. She thought she was doing the right thing. She wasn't being vengeful; she believed she was looking out for her peoples' safety. She made a big mistake, but it had noble intentions behind it.

Ten's intentions were vengeful and his actions were pointless. =/

[(Anonymous)]

Except her argument wasn't reasonable. One, the threat was leaving. If you brought that same defense down to a human-to-human level in a court of law, you'd have a rough time claiming "self-defense" if you shot somebody in the back as they were leaving-- especially since they had really done no permanent damage.

Also, stopping the Sycorax from letting other alien races know that Earth was defended and aware was a terribly stupid move. As the Doctor points out, the planet was getting noisy, and could very easily have had to go through a similar experience all over again, just because of Harriet Jones. As a leader, it was a bad move.

[bringreligiontothewamwams]

And the next set of aliens intent on global domination now have no reason to back down if things look dicey for them, and every reason to double down the attack and break out the Godzilla level weapons in desperation because they wouldn't be able to trust in a negotiated ceasefire. Way to make Earth less safe Harriet.

[hwc]

What reassurance did she have that the Sycorax weren't going to come back, though? The Doctor defeated one of them in a sword fight, awesome, but it's not like she could count on that. They were an hithero unknown alien race - how is she to know how binding that whole thing was?
And as the only leader of a nation present she would sooner or later have to explain her actions to the rest of the world's governments, how would she have explained letting them go to them? "Oh, sure, they did just take a third of the world's population hostage and tried to enslave us, but see, that guy in a bathrobe won a sword figth and it's all right now, they can't come back because of honour, or something. I don't know, two hours ago we didn't even have any clue what they were saying, never mind being familiar enough with their culture to safely say whether or not they'll honour the outcome of said sword fight."

And honestly, the Doctor can't really be counted on. Remember when Nine wanted to return to Earth a day after Rose first joined him only for him to miss by a year? What when something like this happens when Earth is in danger? And at the time they didn't even have a way of contacting the Doctor, as it was Martha who left the mobile with him.

[(Anonymous)]

There's a different between being a dick and being arrogant enough to think you have the right to remove a political leader on a planet that isn't your own just because you dislike the choice they made. Harriet Jones' actions, while the wrong choice, are not remotely the same as say the Daleks and were done to protect her country and world. The Doctor didn't have the right.

I'm not sure whether or not Nine would have done the same, but what Ten did there to Harriet to me is different from any other action he (or any other New Who Doctor) takes (apart from changing fixed history in Waters of Mars).

[fauxkaren]

but what Ten did there to Harriet to me is different from any other action he (or any other New Who Doctor) takes

How is what Ten does here worse than Eleven brainwashing humanity to kill the Silence in "Day of the Moon"?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure brainwash is the word I'd use. Eleven used the brainwashing the Silence already did to get humanity to kick the Silence off their world and save them from enslavement. And he only did it as a last resort because there really weren't any other options. Not the best choice, but the best of the worst certainly.

That is miles different from Ten interceding into human politics when there was no threat, and in fact every evidence he had was that Harriet Jones would have become a great leader who did good things. And there were plenty of other options besides what he did.

[(Anonymous)]

Those...are not even remotely comparable.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

Is that "brainwashing" really all that bad? It seems to me more that he gave humanity the tools they needed to fight an oppressor they couldn't see.

[hwc]

Didn't Ten meddle with the history of humanity by removing Harriet Jones from power, too? I thought Nine said something about her leading Britain into a golden age as Prime Minister, but that hadn't really come to pass yet when Ten screwed her over, did it?

[diet_poison]

There's a different between being a dick and being arrogant enough to think you have the right to remove a political leader on a planet that isn't your own just because you dislike the choice they made.

+1000

[deaalmon]

Maybe this a little too meta, but Nine and Ten are written by the same writers... likely would have done the same thing, right? Isn't this all a moot point?

*knows almost nothing about DW*