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...Not a good comparison, tbh. If nothing else, Cliff Notes tends to leave out a *lot*, while LPs still let you experience the vast majority of the game's plot, if not all of it.

Also, how would you even know unless they tell you? [And yeah - price is a problem for some of us.]

The thing about gameplay is that it makes you an active participant in the story. Many games are especially tailored to respond and change according to each decision by the player. If you're just watching someone else play you'll miss half the experience. I don't think it's the same.

What about JRPGs with only one storyline? Watching those gives the same storyline and lets you skip the repetitive combat.

Obviously it depends on the type of game, but some game stories are definitely wrapped around the gameplay and not the other way around.

I found the Portal games especially immersive because I was practically roleplaying as the main character the whole time. When I got to the end of Portal 2 it was exhilarating to outsmart the final boss all by myself. I felt like an awesome badass heroine.

I wouldn't recommend LP's of those games.

da

I played Portal 2 and watched the LP of Portal. The experience was exactly the same to me. I said it above and I'll repeat it here: not everyone enjoys games for the exact same reasons you do. And that's ok. There is no single good way of enjoying a piece of entertainment.

I watched an LP of Portal 2 and found it totally exhilarating.

Also, LP'd the very end of Portal because I am a total wuss. There are some people who don't always want "immersive."

I don't think everyone experiences games the same way. I've played Portal 1 and half of 2 among other games, and I don't project myself into the main character. I still am engaged in the sense that I believe I'm facilitating the story and I'm solving the puzzles, but I am not Chell. She is Chell and it's her story. I'm just an active audience.

I still find it very immersive, just in a different way.

Many are, just as many [if not more] aren't. Several have one storyline that they follow regardless of the player's actions - and even the ones that do have various story lines, it's probably not all that hard to find LPs for the various story lines for most of them.

You also have to remember that not everyone enjoys "being an active participant" but enjoys the other aspects of games - and some just really like watching other people play, even if they don't enjoy playing games themselves.

games are not movies. stop trying to treat them like they are.

i don't give two shits if someone watches lps and claims to love video games, but that attitude annoys me a great deal. you don't watch someone play monopoly and claim you had the whole experience.

OC

I never said they were movies - I simply said that you still get the vast majority of the experience for most games. Why? Because a lot of a game's experience it based on the plot and how that's presented which can come across in a LP. Are there expectations to this? Of course.

The difference between an LP and Cliff Notes is in the fact Cliff Notes generally just gives you the bare bones and cuts out everything but what's likely to be on a test. So, unless you're claiming that LPs literally cut out half the plot [because cliff notes tends to ignore sub-plots from what I've heard], it's a bad comparison.

Also, since you seem to be making assumptions, I don't watch LPs. I either play the game, or I don't. So I'm saying this as *both* a gamer, and an avid reader.

sa - no you didn't say it. you still treat them like one in this discussion.

if you genuinely think games aren't much more than their plots than it's really no use arguing with you, doesn't matter if you're a "gamer" or not.

Yep!!!

In my game fandom there are those who declare themselves fans without ever playing the games.

There are nuances and many other shades of meaning that are lost when they are not directly experienced through play.

It amuses me to no end when they get the lore wrong when in the game my character has the correct source of the lore in some odd corner of the game universe that everyone else overlooks.

If everyone else overlooks it, then even people who played the game, but missed this piece of information aren't real fans to you?

I'm a big fan of a series of games based on an untranslated Eastern European fantasy novels. Clearly, everyone who haven't learned the language and read all the books is not a real fan because they don't know all of the lore, right?

are you talking about the witcher lol

It's when they say they are right and I am wrong. No. Not when I have the actual source in the game.

You didn't answer my question. If everyone overlooks this piece of information, regardless whether they play the game or not, are you the only real fan of this game?

I don't understand why anybody caaaares if someone calls themselves a fan or not. If they like a thing, they are a fan, even if they have experienced it differently from you, and anyway if it's not affecting your experience with the game(s) you like why does it matter?

Not when they are saying they are right and I am wrong. They're the ones so concerned with being fans and "cred." Not me. I just play the damn game. I don't give a rat's ass about gamer cred. If they want to stick with the stuff that the game writers never intended, fine, but they should not go out of their way to say that I'm wrong and put down anyone who games the way I do.

(it's a shitty fandom)

I don't get your point at all. LP watchers see the game exactly the way the person who makes LPs did. So the person who actually played the game doesn't have a bigger knowledge about the canon than the watchers do. If someone argues with you about some piece of information that you've seen in the game while they didn't, it doesn't make any difference whether they've actually played the game themselvesand missed this piece of infortmation, or just watched the LP, whose player missed it.

This is not an LP vs active gamers issue.

Yes, you do miss the point. Entirely.

This isn't even about LPs, this is about forums who use only text and present them as gospel truth when the game creators purposefully left a lot of mysteries. It's supposed to be speculation, and when a gamer finds something in the game says, hey I found this, they shouldn't be disregarding that person as someone who doesn't know what the hell they are talking about. That's my point. They shouldn't deny that I am a fan because I don't play the game or interpret the lore the way they do and yet call themselves true fans.

As for LPs, they can cover only so much. They're really useful for a lot of things, and there's a lot of great ones for this fandom, but there's so many ways to defeat the boss, etc, so forth. If people are fans of that, I don't care. As long as they don't say that I'm not one for playing the game the way they think it should be. Yes, that happens in this fandom. Incredible, but true.

But the discussion IS about LPs. You're the one who started talking about something completely unrelated to the subject and voicing it like it was related somehow.

Except your comment wasn't just about lore or arguing about lore. Your first line came across to me as being offended that people dare call them fans when they aren't Doing It Right by your standards.

I meant True Fan. The true fan mentality. Sorry. Which is ridiculous when it's used against those who play the game.

That's ridiculous when coming from anyone, including yourself.

Yes, it's really ridiculous when you can't even be accepted into a discussion about your favorite game when you play it differently or just view the lore differently when they seek to discredit you in any way.

Yes, it's ridiculous to say, fandom, you're doing it wrong by being dismissive of some people because they are doing things a different way. That's why I am amused by these people. They refuse to hear another version just because someone doesn't play the game or agree with them 100%. It's better to be amused by this, than to be upset.

But thank you for sticking up for the elitists. I'm sure they would appreciate it.

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diet_poison - 2013-11-25 19:41 (UTC) - Expand

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