[ SECRET POST #2546 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2546 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[fscom]

11. http://imageshack.com/a/img34/3990/as06.jpg

[dreemyweird]

Nope, OP. Sorry, but shipping has nothing to do with "getting the point" or "not getting" it. In itself, shipping any particular pairing says nothing of one's attitudes, nor of their stance. Just as you can't be homophobic because you ship Watson/Mary over Holmes/Watson (leaving aside those who ship both), you can't "ignore and trash" the idea of non-romantic love by shipping those who embody it. They are just characters. They are not the idea itself.

(this being said, I know the feeling. I do so hate seeing Joanlock stuff. Can't help being irritated a little)

[(Anonymous)]

I mostly agree. And I haven't seen the movie, but wouldn't you think it's a bit of a different situation if a movie or book or whatever had the specific message that OP is talking about. About two people being in love and how the entire message is saying it's equally as important as romantic love, and that a relationship doesn't need romance or sex to be valued. I mean yeah, ship what you ship, but it does seem like that would be missing the point a bit.

[sarillia]

I do think there can be some correlation between your attitudes toward different kinds of relationships and what you ship so I get annoyed when people shout "this means nothing!" and seem to be going too far in the other direction, but I do agree with the main point that it's not definitive proof. I'm just saying that if you never ever ship same-sex pairings and your reasoning for it is that those pairings are gross to you, then that probably does mean something. I'm definitely not arguing that someone who generally prefers het over slash is homophobic just for that though.

I don't know I'm just thinking about all the different annoying posts I've seen about this and rambling.

[belacqua]

People shipping them makes me uncomfortable because their relationship reminds me of my own with my sister, but ship and let ship.

[writerserenyty]

Same; I definitely came out of the movie thinking of my relationship with my sister so it makes me a bit uncomfortable seeing it on Tumblr and places.

[(Anonymous)]

Not about your secret OP but I totally saw this pairing in this movie but my dash showed me the beauty of Jesla so Elsanna had no chance to win against it.

[herpymcderp]

I don't even think I need to see the movie to know that this is either a troll or an extreme case of butthurt.

The entire point of shipping is to see characters that you think are attractive and would be good in a relationship together have that relationship. Nobody gives a single fuck about the source material. Case in point: some of the kinkiest and most awesome art I've ever seen is bibleslash. (A+++ would see Jesus getting rimmed by Lucifer again.)

[ketita]

I can kind of relate, OP, because I agree - I thought that it was really beautiful that they showed a true love that wasn't romantic, especially in a princess story. So I get the "nooo you're missing the pointtt" thing - but hey, that's fandom. Shippers will ship, the best thing to do is try and blacklist and follow what you do like. I'm not really in the fandom, so I hope that at least there are people making fanworks for Anna+Elsa as sisters?

[(Anonymous)]

Shipping two characters who are canonically friends does not automatically imply that you believe in friendship as lesser than love. They are two specific characters that people like to see as a couple; it does not have to represent a person's views on relationships. If that was always true, nobody would ever ship fucked up things unless they had really fucked up ideas of relationships.

Also, okay, my eyesight is awful, but that was very hard to read @_@

[intrigueing]

That's...not how shipping works. It's not necessarily people going "omg no way they're just friends they HAVE to be in love!!!", it's people going "omg how cool would it be if they were in love???"

Of course, there's always a group of the former who do obnoxious douchey shit like "LOL I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW ANYONE CAN LOOK AT THEM AND SAY THEY'RE NOT ROMANTICALLY IN LOVE" but that's not what all people's attitude towards non-canon shipping is.

[hiyami]

I don't know what that says about fandom that nobody here even mentions that these characters are sisters...

[(Anonymous)]

But...a lot of them probably do? I mean, sure - there is a sub-section of people who ship them who obviously don't, but you'd get that no matter what characters were involved. I mean, just look at the over-the-top* who insist that characters who are point blank stated to hate each other are in ~True love~ canonly. It happens, and the best course of action is to just roll your eyes and ignore while tumblr savoring the tag [...and yeah, hoping most people tag their posts.]

*And I mean the shippers who insist "OMG, THEY'RE TOTES IN LOVE, HOW COULD ANYONE NOT SEE IT'S TOTALLY CANON!" over the top

[(Anonymous)]

I...agree with you? Not quite to the same extent (I don't think shipping them ruins the message of the movie or anything) but I do think shipping them is a waste of a very strong sibling relationship. I just pass it off as some people either having bad taste or desperately wanting femslash.

Secret 11 - Frozen, shipping

[transcriptanon]

[Picture is a promotional image of the CGI animated movie "Frozen", showing Elsa and Anna, the protagonists, standing back to back and smiling at the camera. There is a mountain and snowflakes to the left and a castle to the right.]

The movie has only been out for a little while and I am already SICK of people shipping them, especially when they go "Oh I didn't MEAN to ship them, but I do SO HARD teehee!"

Now, I usually ship and let ship, but the ENTIRE POINT of the movie was that love does NOT need to be romantic to be true and important. When you ship them, you are ignoring and trashing that. Way to go.

[caerbannog]

Since when did shipping have anything at all to do with plots and canon? Get over it OP and let it go.

[silvereriena]

I didn't even know people shipped them, but having seen the movie last night, I'm not surprised. I can see why that ship might be appealing (barring the incest, but I've been in fandom too long to really be fazed by that anymore), especially seeing how rare it is to have two female protagonists with such a strong bond in movies.

As for myself, I loved that their relationship was at the forefront over the romantic relationships which really were in the background. And the Obligatory Giant Disney Duet of Love was between those two! I can't think of another Disney movie where a duet like that happens between two female leads so that was awesome.

[(Anonymous)]

lol it's like the argument against slash and incestous slash. People ship anything that's in close proximity, and even beyond.

[(Anonymous)]

I actually wish this ship was more popular. I guarantee it'd be huge if they were both men.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

People say that about every other friendship and sibling pair that gets shipped romantically.

Just because I ship Fíli/Kíli does not mean I really believe they are going at it when Thorin is not looking.

Just because I ship Thorin/Bilbo does not mean Dwarf/Hobbit relations are really that close.

Just because I ship Kíli/Boromir does not mean Kíli will survive the BoFA and live to meet a Gondorian 78 years later.

Fanfic =/= canon.

Shipping =/= canon.

Elsa and Anna are sisters. Shippers shipping them does not change what is in the movie.

(Meanwhile, I am sorry to say I won't ship it. I'm not a femmeslash fan. Blame it on me being straight.)

[nachtmusik]

No. Fuck you. I'm allowed to ship whatever the hell I want, because my shipping doesn't change the actual story one damn bit. Get your head out of your ass.

[(Anonymous)]

I love good sibling relationships in stories.

Insect is my big ol NOPE button. I will ignore and block all posts slightly related to that.

[(Anonymous)]

I personally don't view 'shipping' as a strictly romantic thing. I think shipping just means liking the the relationship between two people, whether platonic or romantic.

Maybe it depends on the fandom but I've seen a lot of OTP and brOTP in my fandom, where OTP means you ship them romantically and brOTP means you ship them platonic.

[(Anonymous)]

I somewhat agree with the sentiment, but just cause I just don't ship incest (short version, it's kinda depressing/sad for me)

But the why of, I really can't get behind. If "not getting the relationship" was detrimental to shipping, every ship that doesn't have a romantic subtext would be invalid. And shipping is, above all, playing with characters by changing the context of their relationship; how would those people act if their feelings were to be romantic.

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly though I think that people are shipping anything that moves these days. Horny f***ers. I'm one but I have some common sense not to ship everyone and I also like when FRIENDships etc are portrayed but some people just can't remove their ship goggles for once. I don't care about who ships who but it's not always about sex and relationships.