[ SECRET POST #2568 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2568 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

It's one thing to be uninterested in romantic plotlines, but the fact that being involved in romance makes you hate a character is kind of over the top. People have emotions, and unless a person is asexual/aromantic, some of those emotions are going to be about romance. It's no more "pointless" than any other form of human interaction

OP

[(Anonymous)]

I always find it pretty unnecessary, and it just takes away from more interesting things they could be doing instead of wasting their time wondering if they think Marty or Morty is cuter. I've never been interested in romance, and I just cannot see why so many books have superfluous romances in them, it just seems so boring. I don't see why it should really matter if I don't like romance, I know not everyone finds it pointless, but it's just always seemed that way to me, and it makes me uncomfortable to read about it.

Re: OP

[comma_chameleon]

I just cannot see why so many books have superfluous romances in them

Because to the author (or without getting too existential) the characters, it's not superfluous.

Especially in a post-apocalyptic world, to some types of people, love and family is all they have left to look forward to. While I'm not going to argue that some movies and books have shit timing when it comes to romance (or sex, I mean really, fucking in an abandoned house before checking for zombies/mutants/whatever is just plain stupid), but the idea of romance and 'continuing on like normal' is a pretty human thing to do regardless of the circumstances.

And this is coming from someone who often gets annoyed when romance gets shoe-horned into her explosion/car-chase films. Except Red. Because Red was fucking awesome.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

This is an excellent point. When the world-as-they-know-it ends, it makes sense that characters would cling all the harder to whatever human bonds they have or can establish, both for morale reasons (to maintain some sort of hope for the present and future) and because in a post-apocalyptic scenario, you need people who care about your survival and want to look out for you. A romantic partner is high on the list of people who want to make sure you don't die.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Red as in that Bruce Willis movie?

Re: OP

[comma_chameleon]

>.>

Yes.

And Helen Mirren. And explosions. And guns. And snark.

Re: OP

[dethtoll]

(Psst: Based on a Warren Ellis comic.)

Re: OP

[comma_chameleon]

Is the comic good/better than the film (as a great deal of adaptations are)? I knew it was based off of one, but I haven't read it.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

It just seems like something odd to get so incensed about, when it's a normal and significant part of human interaction for anyone who isn't ace/aromantic. Do you get annoyed when characters start developing friendships, too? Are characters' relationships with their families a waste of time?

I'm not saying you should be obligated to enjoy romance plots, but hating characters solely because they experience romantic attraction is a little disturbing.

Re: OP

[brooms]

Do you get annoyed when characters start developing friendships, too? Are characters' relationships with their families a waste of time?

i was about to ask this. the point of (good) romance should be the point of any other form of strictly emotional constructed relationship - character development.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Don't worry OP, I loathe romances too. I have stopped reading books when they introduce a romantic interest. I don't care about that shit.

Re: OP

[otakugal15]

Wow. Way to miss out on everything then.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Anon is hardly going to miss out on much with all the material available in the world. In fact, I would suggest they're actually wasting significantly less time trying to force themselves to enjoy some tripe love bullshit they don't want to read.

But y'know.

People like different things.

Like not reading romance.

So go be a judgmental ass elsewhere.

Re: OP

[otakugal15]

Considering MNOSt published fiction is GONNA have a romance of some sort, then yes, OP is missing out on A TON OF STUFF.

That's not me being judgmental, you fucker. That's me stating a fucking fact.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

This +10000

Clearly romance isn't for OP. Then it's not missing out when they clearly won't get any joy out of things they hate.

Re: OP

[ninthlife]

I totally get what you mean, OP. It seems like a lot of the time, authors shoehorn a romance into a story just to make it sell more. Honestly, I'd love to read about a group of friends who stay friends throughout the story. Or a story where, if there's a romance, it can be a side detail and not the main focus.

Re: OP

[logicbutton]

FWIW, I think it's weird that people are lecturing you on romance. It's not like you can reason yourself into liking something, and anyway YA-style love triangles really are tiresome.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

It's not so much that OP doesn't enjoy romance in literature, or thinks romance is pointless in a post-apocalyptic world where mere survival is so precarious; it's that OP apparently detests romance to the point of thinking that it's stupid and pointless and a waste of time in principle and under all circumstances. I mean, not wanting a romance in your own life is one thing. Thinking that anyone who values romance in their life is wrong and stupid and impossible to understand or relate to--that's quite another.

da

[(Anonymous)]

Thinking that anyone who values romance in their life is wrong and stupid

I... don't recall the OP saying that? you might wanna chill.

Re: da

[(Anonymous)]

Pssst, there is this thing called implication, where something can be conveyed without stating it in so many words? If you say that an activity is pointless and a waste of time, you don't need to say outright that the people involved in it are stupid and wrong. You've implied it. That's how these things work.

Re: OP

[logicbutton]

Yeah, but there's no indication in either the secret or in their responses in this thread that they think other people's real-world romances are pointless - just that they're not interested personally and they dislike reading about it.

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

I can't believe people are jumping on you for not liking romance.

I mean, I don't hate it in everything, but there are so many unnecessary romance subplots in stories, that don't really add anything to the characters or plot, and end up taking away from it.

It's especially jarring in post-apocalyptic fiction - I just want to take the characters by the shoulders and shake them. Why are you worrying about whether he likes you? You should be more worried about POST-NUCLEAR WAR and SURVIVAL and the fact that you JUST GOT BITTEN BY A ZOMBIE, ffs.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is: Romance can be a great addition to a story, IF it's done well. And so many stories don't do it well at all.

Re: OP

[caerbannog]

I get what you mean. Sometimes (A LOT) it just feels so overdone and its frustrating how often it crops up...and sometimes the priories feel a little mixed up and I want to reach in and shake the main characters.

Then I get irritated and cranky because I just want to read or watch something with a breather from all the romance/true love for once and it's nigh impossible to find. It's one of the reasons I'm ok with THG, it's really understated and minor in there because most of the time Katniss doesn't have time for that shit (outside of doing it for the crowd) and I really appreciate that.

[(Anonymous)]

Since the OP seems to be specifically talking about romance, you should really focus on aromantics.

Asexuals can be romantic, many of us are. Romance =/= sex.

So it would better your argument if you were to stick to aromantics in this discussion

[darkmanifest]

It's not romance in and of itself that's infuriating, it's the way it's popularly written, taking over an entire story that's ostensibly about much more important things, like, oh, say, the end of the human race. Are many people in real life complete self-absorbed nitwits who can't focus on anything but senpai noticing them while the whole world is ending? Sure. Is it unreasonable to be irritated to discover three hundred pages of mostly that crap when the book summary suggested an exciting post-apocalyptic adventure with a bit of kissy face on the side? Uh, no.