[ SECRET POST #2606 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2606 ⌋

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Comments

[iceyred]

I love that people complain about not having enough minorities in fiction. Then somebody writes a work with minorities as main characters, and people get upset if the writer is white/western. That's hysterical.

[(Anonymous)]

I totally get why people are upset, but the problem is that they're upset at an institutional/societal problem, yet keep trying to pin the blame on individual people.

[comradesmiler]

It would be hilarious if it wasn't so frustrating.

[(Anonymous)]

Not only minorities but women. Strong women who in charge of businesses.

[(Anonymous)]

Just seemed like the same old tired stereotypes to me. That conversation between Sayuri and Mameha. *cringe* "She's like a tiger." Yeah, we get it. Dragonlady! And Sayuri is the fragile, wilting Asian girl who needs to be protected. Blech.

[(Anonymous)]

This all the way. The whole thing seemed to be one great big stereotype vehicle.

[sarillia]

The problem isn't that he's white.

Now I'm having flashbacks to when I kept telling people that the problem with Macklemore isn't that he's straight. Everyone's always rushing to laugh at how ridiculous Tumblr is (I'll just borrow fs's shorthand where Tumblr=silly people) without actually listening to the arguments first.

[morieris]

I hate to be that person but...finally, someone said it.

[iceyred]

The OP mentioned that one of their problems with the book was that it was written by a Westerner.

[sarillia]

That's true. I may be being too charitable towards OP and not enough toward you. It's just that the way I interpreted this whole thing is the way I've seen it go down most often. Of course I'm actually interested in these kinds of discussions so I would have seen more reasonable ones than you.

Of COURSE most people hate Tumblr

[elephantinegrace]

Everything that's popular with almost exclusively females, especially teenage females, is universally shat on. Sure, 50 Shades and Twilight aren't classic literature, but FSoG is one of the first mainstream erotic novels depicting a (dangerous, abusive, and inaccurate) BDSM relationship, and the Twilight Saga is one of the first popular novel series that objectified male characters just as much as the female characters (and the movies had actual Native American actors playing Native American characters instead of whitewashing them like a certain sci-fi movie that everyone seems eager to defend, even on Tumblr). Hell, certain shows that shall remain unnamed have been canceled because their viewership was mostly girls rather than the boys they were marketed toward. Tumblr has a very strange and at times impossible format and the same subset of crazy users that every website has, but damn if it isn't refreshing to finally be able to call people out on their shit without being roasted under an immediate deluge of "not all ___ are like that!!1!" or "they weren't being intentionally __ist so it doesn't count."

Teal deer says, "Tumblr is no different than any other website other than the fact that it's populated largely by teenage girls, therefore it must be a piece of shit."

[(Anonymous)]

Erm, I could be being an idiot here, or just out of touch, but the compliant I've heard about him from the one SJW I do follow on tumblr [...they post really nice pictures, okay?] actually *is* mainly that he's straight.

In the interest of fairness, I'll also throw out there that this person is...definitely one of the extreme SJWs so him being anything but gay would be seen as a reason to attack him. So it could just be their circle that's doing it.

[cloud_riven]

Did you read that book, or watch the movie. It's cheesy, shmoopy as fuck, and definitely entertaining in a melt-your-face-off kind of way like Titanic, but fuck no if I'm going laud that guy for being "progressive" when he's straight up writing personal fantasy.

[(Anonymous)]

Well it kind of sucks to be a minority author who works hard to share stories from within your community and someone else (from the oppressive group!) comes in and writes a story from the point of view of someone looking at your community from the outside and becomes internationally known and credited with shedding light on this fascinating culture. People can write about whatever they want and I absolutely think there should be more minorities but if you're not a member of the group you should expect criticism.

[iceyred]

Criticism is one thing. 'I'm mad because a white guy wrote about Japanese ladies!' is not criticism. It's just funny.

[(Anonymous)]

This.

[(Anonymous)]

I think that when it comes to this film, it's not so much that he's white/western as that he didn't do it well at all. It's a very shallow, romanticized take on a real phenomenon. If he had tackled it with some depth, then I don't think people would have as much of a problem with it.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, you.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not that he's a white man that people are upset about it. He interviewed an actual geisha, Mineko Iwasaki, and swore to protray her story accurately, and then he wrote horribly stereotyped, fetishized racist mess. He then gave her as a source in the published copy, despite promising to leave her an anonymous source, and SHE got backlash in the Japanese geisha community, because they thought she was telling him the geisha were all prostitutes, instead of respected entertainers of a non-sexual nature.

He got rich and famous off his racist soft pornography, and she has her name in infamy in Japan because of his going back on his word.

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you for summing that up so nicely.

[glo_unit]

I wish more people would have responded to your criticism.

[(Anonymous)]

Wait, that part was true? I thought he'd made it up to make it seem more legit.

[glo_unit]

Didn't the white/western person gets the culture they portray wrong and super stereotypical? isn't that why most people hate it?

[glo_unit]

In addition to what I previously wrote, wanted more minorities in fiction doesn't mean to can't complain about stereotypical fetishized minority character. Wanting more minority characters shouldn't mean being happy with all minority characters no matter how poorly written.

[world_eater]

Would probably have helped if the author hadn't completely fucked over the lady the book is supposedly based on?


Get your facts before you complain.