[ SECRET POST #2620 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2620 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[My Mad Fat Diary]


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03.
[Stargate Atlantis]


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04.
[Andromeda]


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05.
[True Detective]


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06.
[Samurai Flamenco]


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07.
[Star Trek: DS9]


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08.
[Supernatural]


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[Wild Adapter]


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10.
[The Bletchley Circle]


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11. [ns]


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[Junior Prom - Prelinger Archives Video]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 015 secrets from Secret Submission Post #374.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

So what's the deal with fandom X?

[(Anonymous)]

Have you ever heard second-hand interesting things about a fandom you're not involved in and/or a canon you're not familiar with, and want to know what that's all about? Ask here!

For me: Homestuck fans, please to explain this thing with four categories of something? Is it four genders? Something with trolls? I know there's a term for it but the word's slipping my mind at the moment.

Also, what's this kerfuffle about Watson's wives(wife?) in Sherlock Holmes?

Re: So what's the deal with fandom X?

[(Anonymous)]

Doyle kept forgetting if Watson was married or not, leading to him sort of having a revolving door relationship with marriage.

Re: So what's the deal with fandom X?

[kaijinscendre]

Homestuck Fans: Please explain everything. That is one fandom I cannot get my head around at all.

Re: So what's the deal with fandom X?

[diet_poison]

See my comment below. (I am a nerd who likes talking about these things)

if you mean more than just troll romance, though...what do you want to know?

/would rather talk about Homestuck than study for lab practical

Re: So what's the deal with fandom X?

[(Anonymous)]

Premise of homestuck: So you have these four kids, and they play a game together called Sburb. The game ends up having MAJOR CONSEQUENCES and eventually they encounter another group of kids who played the game before them. And the people who played it before them. AND the people who are playing it after them! The reason it's so convoluted, especially at first, is because Hussie was writing what people on the forum were telling him to do. And the first act is meant to be like the tutorial part of a video game, where you're getting to know how stuff works. Most of it is written in second-person, like a text adventure game, and in 'Pesterlogs' (AIM chats) between the characters. If you keep reading, it will make sense eventually. 4ND YOU W1LL G3T US3D TO TH1S. 3V3NTU4LLY. >:]

Reasons the fandom took off the way it did: The kids are relatable to anybody who is their age or remembers what it's like, each character has their own color, class, and aspect, which is fun for people to identify with (think Hogwarts houses), and there are polyamorous pansexual aliens who possibly have weird gentialia.

Re: So what's the deal with fandom X?

[chardmonster]

Yes! Kind of! To the homestuck thing.

Basically, your sexual proclivities are tied to
1. What color your text is when you type, and
2. What planet you wake up on when you dream.

So people on the blue-green spectrum are submissive, red-pink spectrum are aggressive

Derse dreamers are bottoms.

It takes some getting used to but it works.





i demand you fuck me in the ass

Re: So what's the deal with fandom X?

[diet_poison]

lmao

Re: So what's the deal with fandom X?

[insanenoodlyguy]

By contrast, not only are all Prospit Dreamers Tops, but all Prospit Trolls have penisis in game, even if they were female before this.



Your Terms Are Acceptable Strider

Bend Over

Re: So what's the deal with fandom X?

[othellia]

Somewhere out there, there is an anon who read this and took it seriously.

Re: So what's the deal with fandom X?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sure someone will come in with the more precise details, but basically, Watson gets engaged to Mary Morstan at the end of The Sign of Four, and subsequently marries her and moves in with her. And there's a bunch of adventures where Watson's like "Oh, I was living with my wife and I totally missed my old bud Sherlock Holmes so I went and hung out with him and we solved this case", or whatever - basically a lot of stories where it's indicated that Mary and Watson are married and living together. But then at some point... I believe that it says somewhere that she dies, but I don't recall for sure, but at any rate, at some point Watson and Holmes are just living together again, so therefore Watson is single. However, there's also further references to Watson being married after that takes place! So it's all a big muddle.

Re: So what's the deal with fandom X?

[diet_poison]

:D Troll romance!

♥: matespritship, known as "flushed"
♦: moirallegiance, known as "pale"
♣: auspisticism, known as "ashen"
♠: kismesissitude, known as "caliginous"

Collectively, the first two are known as "red romance", or "redrom", and focus on positive emotions. For trolls, the most positive emotion is pity. (slight spoiler: this isn't really true; some trolls are capable of love. probably all of them. it's really more of a weird cultural thing? long story.)
Collectively, the last two are known as "black romance", or "blackrom", and focus on negative emotions. For trolls, the most negative emotion is hate.

Matespritship and kismesissitude are collectively known as concupiscent relationships and are involved in troll reproduction. They are both romantic and sexual relationships, just based on different extreme emotions. (So, yes, hate!sex is canon in Homestuck.) The other two are known as conciliatory relationships and are romantic but not sexual in nature (though there can be physical aspects such as cuddling).

All of these relationships are traditionally monogamous, like human relationships, and it's possible to be in more than one kind of relationship at once - in fact, a troll with a maximally robust love life has all four quadrants filled. ♥ and ♠ are pretty easy to understand - they sort of mirror human romance, except with pity (or maybe love) for flushed, and hate for caliginous relationships (this can mean that makeout sessions/sex is violent and bloody, something which trolls have a high tolerance for). The other two are not quite as simple. Moirallegiance involves a relationship where one troll helps keep the other "in line" and curbs their more violent/unpredictable tendencies. (This can be reciprocal, I think, though it's often presented as being more one-sided.) Asupisticism is the weirdest - two trolls with ashen feelings for each other (sort of a mild hate?) enlist a third person to be their "mediator"; that person keeps them from degenerating into full-on kismesissitude, because that could cause them to be unfaithful to their other quadrants (apparently hate comes quite easily to trolls). Thus, ashen romance is always a relationship among three people, though there are different roles.

Here's a helpful diagram:



I imagine that by the time I'm done writing this someone else will already have responded...I hope if that's so this is still helpful to you in some way, anon.

ETA: cool! I was actually the first person to answer. :3

Re: So what's the deal with fandom X?

[othellia]

I'm always just lazy and summarize it as:

♥: traditional romance
♦: monogamous BFFs
♣: one person keeping two other people from killing each other - and by extension, all three as friends - by acting as a weird intermediary
♠: hatesex

auspisticism is the hardest one to sum up

Re: So what's the deal with fandom X?

[intrigueing]

The Sherlock Holmes stories have...timeline issues. See, they're not written in chronological order, and not written as taking place in the present day. Doyle would write a story in 1891 and mention in the text that the events take place in 1888, then for his next story, he'd write that the events here took place in 1883. Then the next one in 1889. BUT a lot of them don't have any date, Watson just says "a few months after/before my marriage yada yada."

The problem is that the timeline of Sherlock Holmes goes thusly: 1881 - Holmes and Watson meet. 1888 - Watson movies out of Baker Street. 1891 - Holmes dies. Somewhere between 1891 and 1893 - Watson's wife dies. 1893 - Holmes comes back from faking his death and Watson moves back into Baker Street.

In late 1887, Watson meets his future wife and is married by early 1888, upon which he moves out. The problem is twofold a) fans can date a story as taking place between 1888 and 1891 if Watson is not living with Holmes or mentions his wife, regardless of the date. Mentions of being "shortly before my marriage" would also imply the story takes place in 1887. But Doyle didn't really remember this date very well, leading to stuff like The Hound of the Baskervilles, where Watson is apparently living with Holmes, spends several weeks gallivanting around doing recon for him far from London, and never mentions his wife, but the story is specifically said to be 5 years after 1884, hereby 1889. And b) Watson's wife is an orphan, which is an important plot point, but is mentioned to be "visiting her mother" in one story and stuff like that.

There are several little inconsistencies like that -- the internal logic seems to imply that Watson and his wife are the 19th century equivalent of River Song and the Doctor, because otherwise they could never had really been married/unmarried during all the earth dates that Watson says they were married/unmarried.

Re: So what's the deal with fandom X?

[(Anonymous)]

That's a good explanation, with dates and everything!

I think a lot of people assume Watson remarried later in life at some point after Holmes returned, and the existence of a second wife makes up for some of the inconsistencies.

The main thing, like you said, is to keep in mind that the stories were not written in the order they occurred and many are written as Watson reminiscing about things that happened years before. Also, Doyle couldn't even be botheted to keep track of where Watson was injured in Afganistan from one story to the next, so we really shouldn't be surprised that he didn't keep the facts of Watson's marriage straight over his entire writing career.

Re: So what's the deal with fandom X?

[(Anonymous)]

How did zine fandom even work back in the pre-internet days? How was it accomplished?

Re: So what's the deal with fandom X?

[(Anonymous)]

Tried and true networking.

Re: So what's the deal with fandom X?

[(Anonymous)]

I don't know, but I have a friend who's an old-school Starsky & Hutch fan who told me a lot of stuff about the legal issues with making sure to stay under the radar so no one would be tempted to do a Cease and Desist, since they couldn't have really legally fought it if subscribers were paying the zine makers overhead costs even without a profit, but the powers that be didn't really mind or even know. One of the reasons slash was protested was that it might bring down the big brass on "innocent" gay-less gen zine fandom (which was a far more valid reason back in the '70s and '80s than it is now, and even then it wasn't very well-supported.)

Re: So what's the deal with fandom X?

[teaphile]

Cons and mail.

Re: So what's the deal with fandom X?

[ginainthekingsroad]

Mailing lists. Sending things by post was easy, quick, and cheap. One of the most overlooked aspects of zine culture these days is the letters section, which is basically like any fandom online forum. But by mail.

So if I wanted to reply to a commentary another fan sent in, I would write a letter back to the zine editor. Like, "In response to Jo Schmo's letter about Vulcan culture in the March 1970 issue... [my opinions]" and then that would probably be printed in a later issue. And Jo very well might respond to me and a few other other commentors who wrote in reply, creating a chain of comments that could go on for months.

Re: So what's the deal with fandom X?

[(Anonymous)]

No idea exactly, but I have a theory it'll emerge again in some form or another, since internet fandom seems to be becoming more mainstream - which is fine, but the people who miss nerding out (like me) are going to want a space again.

So what's the deal with Welcome to Night Vale?

[(Anonymous)]

I know that Welcome to Night Vale is a podcast of a radio show(?) for some strange town. So why is there so much drama over the appearance of the characters? You'd think that this would be the one medium where anything goes, as far as fandom representations are concerned.

Re: So what's the deal with Welcome to Night Vale?

[sarillia]

It's implied that one of the characters is Hispanic and there are a lot of arguments over whether or not he's dark enough in fan art. Then the other main character isn't described at all. So there are some reasonable arguments about how it's kind of questionable for everyone to default to him being white and why not try picturing him as something else and then some not so reasonable ones about how if you picture him white then you're racist.

I'm not going to claim to be unbiased on this. I hate both extreme sides of this argument. The ones creating race wank and the ones who ignore the (yes, less noticeable) valid arguments and caricature the whole fandom.

Re: So what's the deal with Welcome to Night Vale?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm pretty sure the creators have said they'll never give a description of what Cecil looks like, and I think that some people think that because you can interpret him as any race, you shouldn't interpret him as white. Some people probably got very attached to their mental images of him and saw him as the representation that they don't get in other media--and kind of lost sight of the fact that "open to interpretation" means just that. And it kind of blew up from there. That's my theory anyway, and it's probably just part of it.

Re: So what's the deal with Welcome to Night Vale?

[insanenoodlyguy]

SJW's came in because somebody told them there was a show where a guy was in a gay relationship and that show was awesome (so far so good)

Unfortionately, being SJW's, once they were there, they started thinking in their sjw ways.

That guy the creators will deliberately not describe? You can't make him white! You can't ever make him white! Never mind that the creators are making it a point to make sure every interpretation from native american with three eyes to tentacle monster is somewhat possible! He. Can't. Be. White.

The other guy in said relationship (Carlos) whom the most canon said was he is "dark" and the most word of god will ever get to describing him is the voice actor for Cecil believing he's a person of color and also "A model in a lab coat"... HE HAS TO BE A CERTAIN SHADE OF DARK. IF YOU DON'T DRAW HIM DARK ENOUGH YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG. (I, for one, like to think of him as having brazillian features, a bit of european, hispanic, portugese and african all rolled together in the best way)

Me, I'm in it for the librarians. (don't attempt to hide in a tree. There are no trees in the library)

Re: So what's the deal with fandom X?

[diet_poison]

Oh, I forgot to ask my question.

I hear a lot here about SPN and Teen Wolf. Never seen an episode of either. I want to know: what are the female characters like? Are they important? Are they well-written? I get that everyone talks about the dudes because slash - I just wanted to know how these fandoms approach the women (and by extension, het and femslash).

Not trying to be wanky here, genuinely curious. Because I'm sure there's more to SPN than The Sam and Dean (and Castiel) show, and there must be more to Teen Wolf than Derek and Stiles (literally the only characters I've ever even heard about for that show).

Also, by extension: how to women figure into these bizarre ABO universes? Do they also have roles? What about their romances (het or femslash)?