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⌈ Secret Post #2632 ⌋

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I was thinking about Overboard last night and was struck anew by how very skeevy a lot of the plot points are (and how perfect it would be as a dark and twisted fic premise). I really liked the movie as a kid and I thought, at the time, that Dean (Kurt Russell) was just in the wrong for lying to Annie/Joanna (Goldie Hawn) and hurting her feelings. A lot of things passed me by as a kid and when I watched it again as an adult it was kind of eye-opening.

So, has this ever happened to you? Did you watch 16 Candles and think, ‘Did they seriously put that in a romantic teen comedy’? I’m not talking about drama or horror or any movie that acknowledges things that wrong things are wrong, I am talking about light romantic comedies where the writer seems to have no clue that what they wrote has any issues. And, yes, sensibilities have changed over the years, so maybe stick to the 80s and beyond or the list will be so freaking long.

Kate and Leopold. In a cut scene, it shows that Leopold is basically the great-whathaveyou grandfather of Kate's ex-boyfriend. Which means Kate fucked her great-so-on-grandson. How romantic!

Wedding Crashers. Rape is not okay no matter who's doing it to whom.

Is that the one where Vince Vaughn spends the whole film abusing and raping women (Yes. rape by deception is an actual fucking thing) and then he get's his comeuppance? If so, I'm not sure I'm agree with you. When a man does such despicable things, then I would say rape can be an ok outcome.

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40 Days and 40 Nights can go on that list.

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Well to be fair, Overboard DOES make the point that what he did at first was enormously dickish and he deservingly got stuck with the consequences of his dickishness -- it was only a wild accident that it turned out to be a positive thing for her. It's a farce -- a story where a giant whopping mistake has a good outcome that came about by sheer luck, not the kind of logic that could serve as a lesson or a model. A big case of "don't try this at home." The lesson in that movie isn't "tell an amnesia patient she's your wife," it's "don't be prejudiced about other people. These two learned it when he told her she was his wife when she had amnesia, but you can probably figure out a better way to understand it."

And she does get furious when she gets her memory back. She later decides on her own that "what the fuck, I love him anyway and I've never been happier and I would have been a miserable little snob all my life if that didn't happen, even if he shouldn't have done it."

Still veeeeerrrry damn skeevy from a RL perspective, but I don't think that the writers didn't realize what they were writing.

ayrt

Well, I was more thinking about the rape by deception (because that was supposed to be romantic), the way they treated her at first (because that was intended to be funny), and the sort-of Stockholm Syndrome thing that happens (because that was supposed to be heartwarming).

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50 first dates is just plain horrifying to me. The woman wakes up every day with no memory of what happened during the time period after her accident and she has children. Can you imagine waking up one day and realizing you're like nine months pregnant and you have no idea what the fuck happened. Or worse, having your memory...roll over I guess or whatever when you're in the middle of giving birth? Good lord, that movie gave me nightmares

Yeah, I saw 50 First Dates with some friends. They all thought it was lovely. I thought it was horrifying and depressing, and have no idea how people thought it was a good premise for a movie, let alone how it gets listed on 'Best Romantic Comedies' lists.

This is one of the reasons I really don't like a lot of romantic comedies, so I haven't really watched any recently that come to mind.

But on a related note, I've started to notice this sort of thing in songs that I used to think were vaguely romantic. Like half of Something Corporate's lyrics are actually pretty skeezy. 18 year old me saw nothing wrong with Runaway. 27 year old me? Holy shit, this song is basically "Everything wrong with Twilight: The Song"

I don't remember anything wrong with the romance part of 16 Candles, but maybe I was too busy cringing at the stereotyped Asian guy... now I'm curious about what part made you think "Did they seriously put that in?"

na

there are actually a lot of articles written about, but this one pretty much sums it up: http://www.salon.com/2009/08/11/16_candles/

this one also discusses the scene while comparing it to the much more infamous rape scene in revenge of the nerds: http://badassdigest.com/2011/08/21/the-throwdown-revenge-of-the-nerds-vs-sixteen-candles-rape-scenes

Everything about Forgetting Sarah Marshall. It started out typical sexist guy-humor that sometimes amuses me in spite of myself, but then it got seriously bad when I realized Kristen Bell's character wasn't going to be given any sympathy in the end. I didn't think she deserved to be forgiven for cheating, but insofar as the things that made her decide to cheat in the first place... I wanted to throw up when it was over.

It actually sounds like you think she did deserve to be forgiven for the cheating.

It never, ever matters what makes people "decide" to cheat. If you cheat, then you are in the wrong, period.

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Pretty much everything outlined here about Revenge Of The Nerds: http://goodmenproject.com/arts/how-revenge-of-the-nerds-ruined-my-life/

Takeaway line: "This movie has so much rape culture you could use it to make rape yogurt."

I was gonna say this movie but I never made it all the way through because it made me so upset.

That is an excellent article, and I'm bookmarking it to show to my dad later. He teaches Intro courses on philosophy and world religions, and I think he'd appreciate the way in which Brand works dualism into his argument.

I like Love Actually but it had a lot of problems.

I actually love Overboard, and I only saw it for the first time a few years ago (I'm 21.) I know there's rape and that the whole thing is totally fucked, but I can't help it. I adore that movie, flaws and all.

I love the interaction between Dean and Annie/Joanna. I also have a special interest in films and TV shows where real life partners act together either as partners or not.

I love the Caterina/Arturo story. I love the kids.

Yeah. I'm trash. I'm so sorry, OP.

Not OP, but I think that film works for me because, as another nonny pointed out, it's a farce and so I don't take it THAT seriously, and also because Kurt Russell and Goldie Hawn just had great chemistry together. Go figure. I saw the film again recently, and although my brain said "whoo, I bet they wouldn't film it that way these days," I can still watch it in the lighthearted way it was intended.

:)

OP

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Runaway Bride made me want to throw up all over whoever greenlit that steaming pile of shit.

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13 Going On 30 was a fun movie, but it had the same problem as Big. Everything's cute and sweet until you remember you're essentially watching a romance between a 13 year old girl and an adult man.

I haven't seen Overboard since I was like 10 and so can't remember much about it. But I did rewatch While You Were Sleeping recently, which seems to have a similar premise - Sandra Bullock allows a man (who she has an obsessive crush on) to believe he has amnesia and has forgotten that they're engaged, when in reality they have never even spoken a word to each other.

However, While You Were Sleeping works without leaving a bad taste in my mouth for a few reasons:
1. She does not engineer the deception; it is a misunderstanding that she later doesn't clear up because she doesn't want to hurt his family. Oh, and his godfather works it out and doesn't tell, because he knows she means no harm - so the weight of maintaining the deception doesn't fall solely on her shoulders.
2. The story is more about her falling in love with his family (and in particular the man's brother, sexy, sexy Bill Pullman) - and in the process realising how delusional her original crush was because the man turns out to be a completely different person than who she imagined.
3. She voluntarily reveals the lie to the man and his family because she knows it's the right thing to do.

Ugghhhh, 16 Candles. Watched that for the first time when I was in my late teens (I think) and I just -did not- how or why people love it so much and look back on it so fondly. Again, it's been almost ten years since I've seen it, but I can still remember the awful racist portrayal of Molly Ringwald's international exchange student, and the incredibly icky awfulness of the boy she had a crush on trying to 'swap' her with Anthony Michael Hall's character when she was incapacitated (sorry if the details aren't quite right, again this is my fuzzy memory talking). Also the whole thing with AMH trying to steal her panties and in the end her giving him a pair as a reward or a consolation prize or something? Whaaaaaaatttttttttt.

For the record, I looooooooooove love love most other John Hughes movie. 16 Candles is awful though. :(

Crazy Stupid Love!

On the whole I actually really liked it and thought it was super sweet and adorable and hilarious had some really nice moment and messages. But I had a huge double take moment at the end when the young teenage girl gives her nudes photos to the prepubescent boy she babysits who has a huge unrealistic crush on her. The nude photos she'd originally made for the boy's father. Uh... huh? Um, at what point did giving nude photos of yourself to people you would never consider actually having sex with so they can use them as masturbatory aides become a sweet gesture? And at what point did the writers decide that a teenager giving nude photos of herself to a child was in any way okay? Whhhhyy!!!!!!!!!!

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