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⌈ Secret Post #2644 ⌋

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Comments

How is it possible to be anti-gay rights and also ship slash?

[vethica]

Someone I followed on tumblr until recently apparently does this and...??? ???¿?? How is that a thing?

Re: How is it possible to be anti-gay rights and also ship slash?

[(Anonymous)]

By being someone who just fetishizes gay men? Someone who likes the ideas of two guys fucking, but doesn't want them to be married.

Re: How is it possible to be anti-gay rights and also ship slash?

[(Anonymous)]

Yep. Or you could love Tragically Gay! tropes and want to preserve the beautiful tragedy. I've seen versions of this with anti-marriage-equality people, and also people who think effective birth control "robs sex of danger" and fiction of sad Fantines to weep gloriously over.

There have been essays written for mainstream publication on basically this theme.

Re: How is it possible to be anti-gay rights and also ship slash?

[(Anonymous)]

I once encountered someone on Y!gallery who hated men and slash but was there to draw and submit very explicit fanart of male character they hated because they thought it was a great way to degrade them. All kinds of crazy people.

Re: How is it possible to be anti-gay rights and also ship slash?

[diet_poison]

that sounds like such a waste of time damn

Re: How is it possible to be anti-gay rights and also ship slash?

[(Anonymous)]

An ex-fandom friend of mine was like this. She was a very religious Muslim and at first justified herself shipping the slash pairing in question because it was "just fantasy" - and she really, really loved this pairing - but eventually got paranoid about religion and stuff, and so took down her yaoi fics, and reposted them with one of the characters genderswapped so it would be het. Then, that wasn't even enough because she felt she shouldn't write about unmarried couples either, so she took them down again and only posted fics where the characters were married. For the pairing in question, them being married is really, really weird, gay, straight or otherwise. Finally she convinced herself she didn't like the pairing or the anime anymore.

Yeah, our friendship kind of dwindled, considering I'm gay. But we were really close, surprisingly, and her religious meltdown was just a trainwreck. I knew that she couldn't force herself to actually stop liking slash, and she liked femmeslash, too.

Re: How is it possible to be anti-gay rights and also ship slash?

[badass_tiger]

I wish I could say religious meltdowns amongst Muslims aren't common, but I'm sad to say that's not an entirely unusual case. There's just a lot of pressure, particularly if your family is very religious, and even more so if you live in a non-Islamic country. I find that a bit extreme as a Muslim myself, though.

Re: How is it possible to be anti-gay rights and also ship slash?

[(Anonymous)]

The same way you can be anti-murder but also like characters who murder people, probably. But of course being anti-gay rights is still shitty regardless of whether you ship slash or not.

Re: How is it possible to be anti-gay rights and also ship slash?

[(Anonymous)]

the same way that some men jack off constantly to girl on girl porn and then say the most homophobic shit imaginable I guess

Re: How is it possible to be anti-gay rights and also ship slash?

[(Anonymous)]

This. Getting off on something is very different than actually respecting it.

Re: How is it possible to be anti-gay rights and also ship slash?

[mechanosapience]

Lots of straight men have very different views about gay men vs women, largely hinging on their viewpoint of girl on girl sex as being hot, primarily for the male viewer's benefit, and likely to end in a threesome. Boy on boy sex, on the other hand, is gross and sick and feminizing, which is the worst thing ever.

Re: How is it possible to be anti-gay rights and also ship slash?

[diet_poison]

Yeah, I was thinking this. :|

Re: How is it possible to be anti-gay rights and also ship slash?

[(Anonymous)]

Someone I used to be friends with (on that "we travel in the same social circle so might as well be) did that *and* was bi. My mind was completely blown when I find that out.

Re: How is it possible to be anti-gay rights and also ship slash?

[(Anonymous)]

Gay rights is about respecting the love between two people. Slash CAN be about that, but it's often at least partly about the smut.

Re: How is it possible to be anti-gay rights and also ship slash?

[applemagpie]

I used to see this all the time in k-pop fandom. Like Eunhyuk and Donghae are totally having sex together, but don't you dare call them gay

Re: How is it possible to be anti-gay rights and also ship slash?

[caecilia]

lol what about those women who are like totally fiiiiiine with gay men, look at how cute and fashionable they are but oh my god a TV show had lesbians? ew ew EWWWW omg lesbians are gross, one time a lesbian tried to hug me IT WAS SO GROSS

I have met a lot of people with a deeply varied and fascinating view of the world, yes.

Re: How is it possible to be anti-gay rights and also ship slash?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm the other way round -- pro gay rights but don't like slash. But if you say you don't like slash, people often assume you're anti gay rights... That makes no sense to me. I just read and write het because it's my own sexual preference.

Re: How is it possible to be anti-gay rights and also ship slash?

[(Anonymous)]

The same way people can be into really horrible stuff in their pornfic but find those same things abhorrent in real life- it's all about fantasy vs reality and the capacity to compartmentalize things.

Except in this case they're doing it in a really douchey way.

Re: How is it possible to be anti-gay rights and also ship slash?

[caerbannog]

Simple - they're a controlling dick head. It's the similar to men who like lesbian porn but not women having equal rights. Tldr they're an asshole.

Re: How is it possible to be anti-gay rights and also ship slash?

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, ask all the guys who watch porn and love naked ladies, but simultaneously slut shame, blame rape victims because they were "asking for it" and support misogynistic legislation. Cognitive dissonance. It's infuriating, but it's all over the place.

Re: How is it possible to be anti-gay rights and also ship slash?

[nyxelestia]

Same way a lot of homophobes fetishize lesbians and watch lesbian porn: "fantasy is okay, but reality is not". Or they think of homosexuality as a fetish and not an orientation/identity - same way someone might have a fetish for sex blond people or fat people or whatever, sex with one's own gender is just another fetish and not something that should be legalized.

-_-

Re: How is it possible to be anti-gay rights and also ship slash?

[hallokatzchen]

I'll just leave this here

https://24.media.tumblr.com/72052fa69f7e686de7621ec3a6e95b1e/tumblr_n37kg630fR1rerna5o1_400.png

Re: How is it possible to be anti-gay rights and also ship slash?

[pantswarrior]

Same rationale as being a fan of, say, Hannibal (the character) while not approving of actual murderers, I would assume.

Re: How is it possible to be anti-gay rights and also ship slash?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm guessing it's probably like how a lot of guys are fine with watching lesbian porn, but find the actual idea of "two women in a relationship with no guys involved" to be wrong.

Re: How is it possible to be anti-gay rights and also ship slash?

[(Anonymous)]

I don't get it. I know different people who didn't have an opinion because it didn't affect them directly who began supporting gay rights because shipping slash made them think about the effects of lack of rights but I've never seen what you're talking about.