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⌈ Secret Post #2664 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

It's not pretentious since it's probably true for you. It is however narrow-minded as you seem to assume everyone experiences this medium the exact same way and therefore must do what you do to get all that they can out of a game. In those games I mentioned, actually playing gave me nothing substantial and I really wish I'd just watched an LP instead. I'd gotten everything I could out of the game just by following the story, and gameplay added precisely nothing. If I'd seen an LP beforehand, I would have known that and not wasted my time and money, but still be left with an enjoyable story to think about.

[(Anonymous)]

We were discussing narrow-minded and pretentiousness in regards to opinions about the general video game experience, not within someone's personal approach. So that would have been relevant if, say, I had also insisted that everyone else is missing out by not watching LPs -- by which I mean, this assumption of mine would be narrow-minded. But I was talking about your assumption regarding other people's behavior, and you tried to make this about my own experience: in no way a valid comparison.

I can see you want to win this argument but all you keep doing is insisting that other people are enjoying their gaming experience the wrong way, as if you know someone else's sense of fun better than they do, when in fact all you're basing that conclusion on is your own experience. If someone tells you, "I have more fun watching an LP," then they're likely more or less correct about it. It's their fun, after all.

[(Anonymous)]

If you'd just asked the OP's opinion about the interactive portion of the game then that would have been putting out an alternative, but alas you just had to toss in that bit on your vague sadness about... a stranger doing something in no way morally wrong or having any effect on your life whatsoever. So I will amend my earlier statement: that was at least a little pretentious.

[(Anonymous)]

...okay, you have to know how that sounds to other people. I would just be a little annoyed by the waste of food, but in that case it is a (minor) moral issue. In truth we're both judging that person, except you deny it and couch it in your "sadness". Come on, when someone says, "Your behavior makes me sad," there is no way that wouldn't be taken as, "What you're doing is wrong."

[(Anonymous)]

Oh my god. If someone actually buys all of what you just said, I've got a great deal on the Brooklyn Bridge they should hear about.

[(Anonymous)]

And I think it's weird that even after I had stated that I'd have rather watched an LP in situations when I had experienced awful gameplay, you still couldn't accept it for the exception that it is and still insisted that since you could power through your frustration with a bad game to enjoy the story, there's no reason I couldn't do the same and therefore I must not think playing a game is important. If I really thought that, why would I have started out by saying "I've played games..."

So all this selective awareness, on top of your determination to appear nonchalant about the argument while doing everything opposite of said goal, makes it hard for me believe much of what you say. I mean, the part about always prioritizing gameplay I do believe, but I think I've already said that. Everything else? Ha! Sorry, this is the first conversation I've had with you but I'm beginning to see why you keep getting trolled.

[(Anonymous)]

Forget JLaw in American Hustle, you are the Picasso of passive-aggressive karate. Forget that you capped your SH2 story with an assertion that not prioritizing gameplay is just sooooo weird (implying at the same time that this is what I believe, while cutting out the caveat about the gameplay being sometimes bad), that was a purely explanatory answer! Forget that you later asserted that it was in fact narrow-minded for a person to rely on an LPer's perspective, that's not at all judgmental or disapproving!. Let's casually not mention that you brought up the salad, and then kept talking about it. You feel so alone in this thread (when you in fact are not alone?). The OP's decision to not play a game they're interested has given you ennui!

I should screencap this, to be honest. It is a rare jewel of ridiculousness and a study in deflection kungfu.

nayrt

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it is pretty damn pretentious. I played Silent Hill 3 and 4. They were just not that fun to play. And when are frustrated while playing a game you don't really enjoy the storyline as much as you could have.

I have watched a Full Play of Silent Hill 2. I LOVED it way more than any of Silent Hill games I played. It was a person who knew what they were doing and kept comments to a minimum. It was like watching a (long) movie.

Re: nayrt

[(Anonymous)]

There's a disconnect in watching LPs. SH2 wasn't scary when I watched an LP out of curiosity because it was someone else playing and feeling the horror. When I played (multiple times, even) it was fucking frightening because I was IMMERSED in the gameplay. I don't know. I feel you when you say this should be a perspective people understand.

Re: nayrt

[(Anonymous)]

You're not the only one!

[(Anonymous)]

for what it's worth i totally agree with your comments here. i can't relate to the people who say they get just as much out of watching a lp as playing the actual game. the fun for me is feeling like i am a part of the game, the one who is responsible and has to find x/beat boss/rescue y and the tension it brings, i could never get that out of watching someone else play.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed. I don't mind if people prefer to watch LPs over playing a game, but I'm incredibly suspicious of people trying to claim that you get just as much out of it as if you'd played it. Especially considering how hyper defensive they are about it: "You don't know anything about me!" "Not everyone has to experience things the same way".

Like, just fucking accept that you're not getting the same experience and move on.

[mautradutor]

I understand your point of view and I personally agree with it, because I have to actually play a game to get the most out of it. Even if I see someone play it all the time, if I like what I see, it just makes me want to play it more. But I think that there can be different ways of experiencing the same media, and that both of these forms can be good.

We all want different things in what we watch, read and play, and so we all approach it a little differently. I think all is well.

[riddian]

You have a point there. This is why, speaking as a huge wuss, I can only ever watch LPs of scary games instead of playing them. There's a bit of a disconnect in an LP that isn't there when you play the game yourself, sometimes it's easy to overlook and sometimes I'm damn glad I can just switch tabs and turn down the volume for a little while and be past the scary bit. XD So it is different, but I don't mind the difference. It beats never experiencing the game in any way.

And some people just don't feel like the difference is significant in the first place, if they're there for something like plot or characters instead.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed. I've watched LPs of games and then gone out and bought them and played them myself and the two experiences were nothing alike. When you watch an LP, you can just sit back and relax because you're not in control of the situation. You're not the one making the decisions about what to do, where to go next, whether to use this move or that move... it makes the entire experience far more intense than just sitting back and watching someone else do all of the hard work for you.