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⌈ Secret Post #2665 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

there is nothing wrong with smoking marijuana.

stop being snooty and superior towards people who do it. it does not make them less intelligent or you more so. it does not make them less mature or you more so. it's just something that some people enjoy.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, in a lot of places it's illegal. So there actually is something wrong with smoking it.

That aside, it's dumb to make a whole holiday to the drug. I think you're defensive reply actually speaks a lot about your own issues with it, moreso than the other persons reply.

[(Anonymous)]

it's a bit of good-natured fun. it's stupid but that's hardly the worst thing in the world. and the reason i'm defensive is because this is an attitude that seems to crop up a lot in nerd circles and it just bothers the heck out of me. i don't even smoke weed (i have in the past, but not for a pretty long time), it has basically nothing to do with me, but the attitude is just so illogical and arrogant.

i probably am reading something into anselah's comment, and sorry if that's the case, but it is something that really frustrates me and they did say a whole hell of a lot about certain peoples' hobbies and recreational activities being juvenile and pathetic

also, are you seriously going to argue that something being illegal means that it is wrong solely by that fact?

[(Anonymous)]

i agree that it's not the worst thing in the world and i think it ignorant to just demonize something/a whole group of people

but someone else before you said 'it doesn't make them stupid' when in FACT it does - it's not a secret, pot makes you dumb...it messes up your thought processes and warps your sense of reality and ability to make well-thought out decisions. It's akin to saying someone who is drunk (actively plastered) can make good decisions

those who say they can smoke pot and function like normal are deluding themselves

also, i tend to find that Americans (moreso than other cultures) equate 'illegal' with 'immoral' - no judgment, just an observation which i haven't seen in most other cultures

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT

Okay, but would you say that someone who drinks is necessarily a stupid person? There's a massive, gaping difference between saying someone is dumber when high and saying someone is a dumb person because of the fact that they smoke. I think it's absolutely ridiculous to say that smoking makes you a dumb or a bad person, just the same way I think it's absolutely ridiculous to say that drinking makes you a dumb or a bad person. Why on earth do people care so damn much about how other people relax?

FWIW, I don't smoke. I just think it's silly to judge people who do. (And this comment is directed at this whole thread, not just you.)

[tabaqui]

Yeah, sorry, no. Pretty much everyone i know works, drives, plays, etc. with some level of marijuana in their system and none of them are dumb, or have messed-up thought processes. If you get stoned as a motherfucker, sure, but *all* of these people basically do two or three hits and then quit for a couple hours, do a couple hits and then nothing for five or six hours....

But they do it every day. So, again - no.

[(Anonymous)]

Duuuuuuuuude, that's so messed up.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, I am going to argue that there is something wrong with doing something solely because it is illegal. It is legally wrong. You said there was nothing wrong with smoking pot, I pointed out one aspect in which it is indeed wrong depending on where you live.

[(Anonymous)]

The problem is that "illegal" and "wrong" suggest very different things. Declaring that something is "wrong" implies that it is either morally or factually incorrect. Declaring that something is "illegal" implies only that it is against the law, and law isn't necessarily morally or factually correct.

When it's thought that an action's legality is what makes it "right" or "wrong," then it's much easier for bad laws to be made, and for those bad laws to remain in effect.

[diet_poison]

"it's illegal" =/= "it's wrong" seriously that is such a stupid and arguably damaging attitude

[(Anonymous)]

...so you don't think there's anything at all wrong with doing something knowingly illegal? Even if you disagree with the law you have to admit that there is wrongdoing in not following it.

[(Anonymous)]

Noobody has to admit any such thing. There is noncomformity, controversy and risk in not following it, certainly, but whether that in itself (independent of what the law in question happens to address, which is a whole different can of worms) equals 'wrongdoing' depends on your moral framework. Authoritarian types tend to believe so, but not everyone is an authoritarian.

[diet_poison]

In and of itself, no. Law =/= morality.

Of course, something can be both wrong and illegal. And doing something illegal can also be wrong because of complications/consequences that can result. But just because something is illegal doesn't make it wrong.

ETA: holy shit, I actually forgot what conversation this was in since it's one of two recent law-related conversations ummmm

yeah sorry for pot smoking I got nothing, there is literally no way to argue that the law is actually protecting human rights or public safety (obviously don't do stupid stuff like drive high but just smoking a joint doesn't automatically imply that). I think the law in and of itself is, in fact, wrong and not doing what laws should do.

You can make a case for it being morally wrong (I'm not sure whether or not I would agree), but here are the two possibilities:

1. it is morally wrong, in which case doing it is already wrong with no influence necessary from the law, or

2. it is not morally wrong, in which case you need to ask yourself, if the government made eating pasta illegal, or owning a dog, or wearing purple shirts, or anything else that pretty much everyone else can agree is not morally wrong, would you stop doing it, and would you actually make the assertion that it's no longer ok and is now automatically wrong only because of the law?

[ansela_jonla]

I have no problem with weed smokers themselves. They're people, and that means there's a range of "good" and "bad" weed smokers.

My issue is with the ones that feel the need to proclaim their habit to the world. The ones that walk around reeking of the stuff, that emblazon their social media profiles with weed related imagery, that brag incessantly about breaking the law where they live, the ones who insist that a date is special just because it's coincidentally related to their habit.

I don't know if the ones like that are the majority, or just a vocal minority, but it all comes across as juvenile, teenage, attention-seeking behaviour, of the "look what cool and forbidden thing I'm doing" kind.

The very fact that you got so defensive suggests that maybe you know this sort of behaviour is, in fact, rather pathetically juvenile?

[dethtoll]

oh my god fuck off lucky star go be needlessly indignant somewhere else

[making_excuses]

Except if you don't buy it legally you are for the most part* funding drug cartels. Who uses their money for human trafficking and so on...

And even if it isn't dangerous or addicting it is still illegal. And I for one don't want to associate with something that might land me in jail or give me a hefty fine.

*Growing your own, buying locally made is two obvious exceptions...

[tabaqui]

Uh, wow. Nobody around here is funding a drug cartel, good gods. It's local people who grow it and sell it, period. Maybe in LA or something, but here? Nope.

[making_excuses]

And no one is doing anything else illegal, nothing organized and everyone who grows the pot are just doing it in a tiny box in their flats and not getting help to sell it?

I live in a tiny town in the backwaters of no where Norway and our drugs (including pot) are connected to other illegal activities. And it has been the same in all the towns I live in... Hells Angels are the most prominent, both in drugs and other organized crimes, heck my aunt was tried beaten half to death because of her boyfriends (now ex and this is ages ago) drug debt. She has also been in jail for someone elses pot.

[tabaqui]

Well, other than selling pot? Nope. They're not organized rings of thieves or *also* making meth, or kidnapping babies. They grow pot in the woods/in their basements and they sell it for cash money 'cause our economy sucks and it's a hell of a lot better/safer than making meth (which people also do around here) or stealing oxycontin.

[ansela_jonla]

When I was away at uni, I was headed back to where I was living at the time and came across a drugs raid right opposite where I was staying.

The police were loading a skip full of weed plants, and people were slipping in behind their backs and taking one or two smaller ones away.

[tabaqui]

Heee. So silly.

[comradesmiler]

Weed is for little babies.

[(Anonymous)]

Man, I'm about as open-minded as they come, but I really don't think you should be giving weed to kids.

[cakemage]

Damn right. I, for one, ain't sharin' my stash with no freeloadin' little brats. That shit is expensive.

I mean, uh. Just say no, kids.

[(Anonymous)]

I know a lot of wonderful smart people who smoke marijuana. But they don't celebrate it or identify with it like the kids down at 420 day do. I don't judge them for smoking it, but I do judge them for the hypocrisy of living like idealistic yuppie hipsters and at the same time supporting gang activity.