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Not a prof but: lol no, I promise you, we noticed you. But you've probably answered half a dozen questions already, and that guy sitting in the corner picking his nose hasn't said a damn thing all class.

Now he can fail horribly at answering something simple in front of everyone so they all know he's not going to pass the class.

seriously not everybody who is quiet is lazy or isn't trying to learn, what part of that is so hard for you to grasp

I didn't say that did I? If you're teaching students for more than a week you know exactly who is lazy, who is just quiet, and who is probably fondling themselves under the table. You get to see all of their work, every test score, and see what they do every class.

You'd have to be an idiot not to realize that.

yeah well most people who teach ARE idiots and dont belong anywhere near a classroom or school

you cant tell everything about somebody just by staring at then 50 minutes twice a week, dipshit

I can tell everything about how someone is doing in my class, actually. And when I'm teaching that's really all I care about, unless someone gives me a reason to do otherwise.

I can tell when you aren't getting it but you're working hard and struggling, I can tell when you're not doing any work, and I can tell when you're not even mentally present. And yeah, I'm not going to let someone who's intent on fucking around get away with it on my time. Deal with it.

no speaking as a student who was failed and never helped through my crippling OCD, my severe depression (which i was later institutionalised for) and my abuse-related anxieties, you do not under any circumstances know everything about a student, their learning preferences and aspects of their lives that interfere or otherwise affect their ability to learn safely and effectively in a standard classroom environment

not everybody can be read like a goddamn book, some of us are closed up and reserved for a reason, ie. abuse, and your assumption that you have this magical omniscience when it comes to your unfortunate students is fucking rich. you may think you know everything there is to know about a student but you don't, and your failure to recognise otherwise is what makes school so miserable for a lot of otherwise good kids who feel they have no choice but to give up on standard education because nobody cares about them, because SO MANY teachers are like you and just make shitty fucking assumptions about people and set them up for failure

you're the worst kind of teacher and i feel sorry for anybody who has ever had to sit through any of your lectures or courses in any form. YOU are the reason any of your students have failed, it is YOUR fault

Yeah... no I'm not buying it at all actually. Not considering my current profession. I do know all of the signs of anxiety and OCD, and I deal with both of those situations daily in my work.

None of my students ever had any of those problems, so your point is pretty much moot for the circumstances I was in. I taught kids with other behavioural problems to be sure, don't worry about that.

Also? None of my students failed. The ones that were there to fuck around and cause trouble dropped the course when I wouldn't let them.

i dont need to prove anything to you. telling me my experiences are forged doesnt make them any less real. i'm less inclined to believe you're any sort of a decent teacher whatsoever so i guess we share something in common there

the bottom line is that you dont know what other people are going through, you dont live their lives, you dont experience what they do. you only get a perception of them that is just as likely to be wrong as it is to be right, even with proper training. people who are abused, negleected or other emotionally or mentally ill/afflicted/"abnormal" as some of you jackoffs like to say are not easy to read, we arent all the same, and many of us have learned to hide our "problems"

that you think you know everything about things you dont face and about people you hardly know is hilarious. you suck at teaching, theres no doubt about it. i feel so fucking bad for your students, i hope they were able to undo any damage you dealt them

That's not what I said. At all. In summary: your personal experiences, traumatic though they may be, don't automatically apply to my teaching methods.

At this point you're projecting your own experience way too much onto what you assume to be my teaching style to have any clue what you're talking about. These are clearly unresolved issues for you, so I hope that you can come to some closure.

But you seriously have no idea what the hell you're even talking about any more.

agreed.

making assumptions about students is not a good idea. I mean, even if there is a kid who's lazy - well, okay, they're lazy. what are you gonna do about it? how are you gonna motivate them or get at least some kind of knowledge to stick in their head? you're the teacher.

anon makes some good points - even otherwise conscientious people can appear to be "lazy" or unmotivated when things like depression crop up.

(speaking as someone who had depression earlier this year, and could barely drag myself to lectures...)

No you can't.

Hope that helps, god bless.

Edit: And you're making yourself sound ridiculous.

Also, you will never have your students respect if you come off a fraction like you do here.

Edited 2014-04-23 02:31 (UTC)

wow. you don't sound like you belong in a teaching environment at all.

My students disagreed. When I told them I was going to leave the job they didn't want me to go because I had succeeded in teaching them more in one year than the last three people who held the position had done in their terms combined.

I'm a fair instructor, but I expect you to show up on time, pay attention, and contribute occasionally. Can't do that? Well then you shouldn't be in my classroom.

uh huh. calling out someone purposefully to mock them aka let everyone "know he's not going to pass the class" truly sounds like a+ teaching behavior.

Okay. Assume you have a student who comes in ten minutes late to class and disrupts everything, as a routine. After he's in the classroom he proceeds to kick chairs around with his feet, try to play on his phone or any other device he's got on him, have conversations in the middle of the lecture, he never answers a question of his own accord in the entire 12 months of you teaching him. If you give him an inch, he'll start trying to steal supplies and throw things.

Since I'm not allowed to do anything else about it, how else would you suggest I assert authority there? Keep in mind I can't throw him out of class; it's a private school and the boss doesn't allow it.

That is the kind of shit one has to deal with in certain teaching jobs. If all students were roses and sunshine that would be one thing.

ok, but this is an entirely different type of story than just some kid not paying attention. i understand being between a rock and a hard place when it comes to how you are able to discipline students (ive grown up all my life surrounded by teachers and their stories).

there are however some teachers out there who have no problem calling out/mocking students publicly for no damn good reason, or not understanding that not all students learn the same or want the same things from their classroom experience. your initial comment made you sound like you fell into that category.

It would be the same idea if you weren't doing your homework in my class. If you've gotten to the point where you're consistently not participating, poor assignments, no involvement... you're wasting my time and resources that I could be devoting to the people who are actually there to learn.

I'm not saying I would be cruel to people who might have had a late night, but trust me when I say that as a teacher I know your base performance. I know when a good student is having an off day, I know when a student is just not applying themselves, and I know when a student is willfully trying to cause dissention. The difference is huge.

Those last two circumstances are the only times I would ever consider using shame to kick someone into shape or keep them in line. And then it would have to be a problem that I hadn't already tried other methods of dealing with.

do you actually think that everyone who struggles/doesn't always do the work is really just purely lazy and there's never anything else going on there?

this makes me pretty angry tbh, and it makes me feel like uptight profs/teachers like you would just have told me to drop out of college four years ago instead of stick it out.

you are also taking it WAY too personally when people don't perform to your standard. I promise they are not doing it because of you.

wait so you are literally trying to humiliate someone in front of his peers for...no other reason than humiliating him in front of his peers

wtf how does that accomplish anything

Oh man I have been over this way too many times with other people to want to go over it again.

tl;dr the situation in which I'd actually use this tactic would be for problem students or students who were habitually not doing their work (and thus wasting my time).

I will bet good money that none the people acting so horrified by your alleged lack of sympathy/teaching skill have ever once faced a typical classroom, much less had to deal with the type of disruptive, disengaged student you're describing.

you'd be betting wrong.

Much less in a job where all of the discipline is left to them, no. Not having the option of sending anyone to the principal's office is an extra special level of kids knowing they're going to get away with everything if they have a teacher who can't handle them.

When I taught younger kids, this actually meant they'd try to hit me until I did something about it.

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