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Re: Controversial opinions

[dethtoll]

There's one fundamental flaw with this. The Men's Rights Movement as a definable activist group is decidedly pro-misogyny. It's not about "the assholes being the most vocal" because the vast majority of the MRM are the vocal assholes. It is anti-feminist, was started as a backlash against feminism, and has been listed as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

They do not care about men or their rights, only about oppressing women and maintaining an ideal of masculinity that many men do not adhere to.

Anyone who actually cares about how men are affected by society is a feminist, because patriarchy hurts men too (a transparent example is our treatment of gay men -- you'd think by nature of being men they should be able to do whatever they want, but noooo.)

Re: Controversial opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Yep, this. Men's shelters even try to distance themselves from the MRA movement because it makes actually making positive change for men all the more difficult.

MRAs are transphobic and homophobic, which if they were truly supporting men, they wouldn't be.

Re: Controversial opinions

[(Anonymous)]

I care about men and I don't consider myself a feminist. And where did you get your stats from? Reddit?

Re: Controversial opinions

[dethtoll]

What do you consider yourself then?

Re: Controversial opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Egalitarian maybe? Not feminist, I know that for sure.

Re: Controversial opinions

[dethtoll]

So in other words you're a feminist, you just don't want to use the label.

Re: Controversial opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Yo, I generally agree with you, but it's incredibly rude for you to decide what people should label themselves as.

Re: Controversial opinions

[dethtoll]

But "I'm not feminist, I'm an egalitarian!" is silly. They're the same damn thing ffs. If it quacks like a duck...

I get the impulse. Conservatives and misogynists have done a very good job of completely destroying, distorting and discrediting the meaning of the word "feminist." Combine that with counter-productive SJWs on the other side and it's easy to see why some people don't want to use the label. But it doesn't change the fact that regardless of what label you use, it's still feminism.

ayrt

[(Anonymous)]

WOW! Can you also tell me what my sexuality should be? I mean, I am pretty sure I am straight (I have never wanted to have sex with a woman) but occasionally I think, "That actress is attractive." Please, Sir Dethtoll, what should I call myself? I need your wisdom.

Re: ayrt

[dethtoll]

Here's what you can call yourself: a goddamn dipshit.

That's the only label you'll ever need.

Re: ayrt

[diet_poison]

holy shit, sexuality =/= ideology

apples and oranges, anon

Re: Controversial opinions

[ibbity]

Not necessarily. I (nayrt) consider myself egalitarian, not feminist, primarily because I'm pro-life* and this is not permitted if you want to be a feminist. I do not discuss this with people, ever, because virtually every time I have ever stated it anywhere, no matter how I said it or the context, I get personal attacks and harassment for days. I've been internet stalked before by someone who took it extremely personally that I wouldn't change my mind after she told me to kill myself as an enemy of all other women. Stalked for MONTHS, with more of the "you're a horrible person who deserves to die for the hate you're filled with, you should be raped" stuff. I refuse to attach myself to a movement that mandates I should celebrate and promote something I view as murder. I won't go around attacking people for disagreeing with me, but for the 7 years I WAS a feminist, I got so incredibly fed up of every. single. other. feminist. attacking ME for disagreeing with THEM. There are plenty of good things that feminism does, but this is a dealbreaker for me wrt how I identify myself. There are other issues as well that I'm sure others would consider dealbreakers. Feminism doesn't have the market absolutely cornered on thinking gender equality is good, and even when I was a feminist I thought it was kind of weird that so many feminists seemed to be really adamant that it did.

*Because I don't consider it morally permissible to kill anyone at any stage of life unless in self-defense, such as carrying to term would put the mother's life in extreme danger.

Re: Controversial opinions

[dethtoll]

This kind of behaviour among self-professed progressives is exactly what conservatives want. Social justice warriors are their own worst enemy because they're too busy running ideological purity tests and not doing anything meaningful.

Re: Controversial opinions

[(Anonymous)]

an enemy of all other women

Not saying you deserve to die or be raped because no one does but you kind of are an "enemy of all other women" if you don't think a woman deserves control over her own body.

By saying you're "pro-life" does that mean you think abortion should be outlawed? Being pro-choice is not "promoting murder", it's promoting a woman's right to make the decisions about her own body and life. Making the decision to have an abortion is one that's incredibly difficult. No one goes around saying "Yeah, abortion!" and pressuring women to get them if they don't want to.

Do you include mental distress as putting a woman's life in danger? You really think a 13 year old girl who's raped by her father should have to spend the next 9 months of her life depressed and borderline suicidal just because you say so?

I'm sorry but if you genuinely think your views should dictate what every other woman is allowed to do with her own body then you are an enemy of women.

Re: Controversial opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Not necessarily. I (nayrt) consider myself egalitarian, not feminist, primarily because I'm pro-life* and this is not permitted if you want to be a feminist.

I hear you, sister! I'm in the same boat. And right now, I don't have the energy for the protracted discussion I see followed your post, so I'll just leave it at that. But I totally get what you're saying, and I feel the same, down to the point of preferring to tell people that I "believe in equality" vs labelling myself as a feminist.

Re: Controversial opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Except feminists have actively campaigned and helped pass laws that are detrimental for men (for no other reason than it is a law that might actually help men).

Re: Controversial opinions

[dethtoll]

Give me an example of these laws and how they have been detrimental for men.

Also, what's your RPG Codex handle?

nayrt but here is some stuff I know about

[(Anonymous)]

Father’s rights group want shared parenting (equal custody) to be the default if both parents want custody and neither parent is unfit.
NOW fought against this.
http://www.glennsacks.com/enewsletters/enews_11_28_06.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/20070708213232/http://michnow.org/jointcustody507.htm
http://www.now.org/nnt/03-97/father.html

Men want an end to the justice system favoring women simply because they are women, and giving men harsher sentences simply because they are men.
Feminists fought against this.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13666066

Men want equal treatment when victims of domestic violence, and to not be arrested for the crime of “being male” under primary aggressor policies.
Feminists fought against this by trying to suppress evidence showing that half of domestic violence is done by women, by threatening the researchers with bomb threats, death threats, etc. They succeeded of course and now we have the Duluth model!

Men want female rapists to be arrested, charged, and convicted with rape. In Western countries, women are rarely punished when raping men, due to the biased legal system. In some countries, women cannot be punished when raping men, since rape is defined as a male-perpetrated crime.
Feminists fought against this in India. http://www.firstpost.com/india/rape-law-amendment-where-are-the-cases-of-sexual-violence-against-men-384227.html
Feminists fought against this in Israel. http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Womens-groups-Cancel-law-charging-women-with-rape

Re: nayrt but here is some stuff I know about

[dethtoll]

Father’s rights group want shared parenting (equal custody) to be the default if both parents want custody and neither parent is unfit.

Michigan NOW's colossal misreading of the bill aside, the bill's primary problem is that it runs afoul of Michigan's legal system which is generally stacked against women. http://www.michigandaily.com/article/invisible-women-michigan-womens-justice-clemency-project

Men want an end to the justice system favoring women simply because they are women, and giving men harsher sentences simply because they are men.

The article you linked does not corroborate this. The justice system has profound issues, yes, but it's stacked much more against women and minorities than anyone else. Women often go to prison for killing abusive husbands in self-defense. Meanwhile men can shoot a woman and get off scot-free. http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/article/Jury-acquits-escort-shooter-4581027.php

Feminists fought against this by trying to suppress evidence showing that half of domestic violence is done by women, by threatening the researchers with bomb threats, death threats, etc. They succeeded of course and now we have the Duluth model!

Evidence?

Men want female rapists to be arrested, charged, and convicted with rape. In Western countries, women are rarely punished when raping men, due to the biased legal system. In some countries, women cannot be punished when raping men, since rape is defined as a male-perpetrated crime.

The bias is due to the perception that men can't be raped because they should enjoy it.

Feminists fought against this in India.

Are you aware of the serious issues with rape in India? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_India
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Forced-intercourse-in-marriage-not-rape-Delhi-court/articleshow/34978292.cms

Feminists fought against this in Israel.

Again, rape is something of a cultural issue http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/06/nissim-yeshaya-israeli-judge-some-girls-enjoy-being-raped_n_3391281.html

And the law as described in the article you linked seems to have some odd wording and does not feel complete. Nevermind the fact that, again, the justice system in Isreal is stacked against women like many, many other places.

Re: nayrt but here is some stuff I know about

[(Anonymous)]

Also, don't forget the insane amount of gang rapes+murder committed in India. Women also end up being arrested for being raped in the ME because if they aren't, there's a good chance their family will murder them for honor. I know it's trendy to hate Feminism, but it really is needed.

Re: nayrt but here is some stuff I know about

[(Anonymous)]

You aren't always on-point, but that was good. Kudos.

Also I love how they brayed out female rapists in Western countries and then cited two examples from India and Israel. Internal logic what internal logic?

Re: nayrt but here is some stuff I know about

[dethtoll]

I love that you never came back after I completely demolished your post.

Re: nayrt but here is some stuff I know about

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT, but maybe they're away from their computer, in a different timezone, or whatever. I'd say don't take it so personally, but if you really want this to be a victory, then go you, I guess.

Re: Controversial opinions

[(Anonymous)]

Yes. Thank you.