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angry shouts of "They aren't GAY goddammit, stupid slash fans" are more offensive and obnoxious than claims of the opposite.

i completely agree. it's even worse when the people who say that present themselves as the defender of the purity of canon or something like that, as if being contaminated by the gay would taint canon somehow. so gross.

That's how I see it, too. Like, yeah, anyone saying "these characters are gay, you're homophobic" are obnoxious, too. But acting so righteously indignant that other people see gay subtext between characters, and denying any possibility that the gay subtext might even be intentional, it's just irrational to me.

I am reminded of being in the Tales of Graces fandom and the fits some people threw over the mere idea that Richard could possibly be gay, never mind that there was no evidence in canon that he was straight and a lot more that he was likely gay. Him being gay would've changed exactly nothing about canon so there was no reason to complain about it. It was literally just a case of "no, we don't want him to be gay because icky gay!"

I've got to kind of disagree, but only *within* fandom circles, because tbh I see the opposite literally 500% more often than I see "they're not gay!!!!" What I always see is the smug "lol, we all KNOW they're gay, they wouldn't act like that if they weren't gay, and [the most fucking annoying phrase of all] the only explanation for this is that they're gay (which irritates me even when I see people say it for a slash pairing I'm totally obsessed with -- why so goddamn restrictive and limiting? I thought a big purpose of slash was to be expansive and inclusive of a broader range of interpretations)" is ALL over, whereas I barely ever see "ew they're not gay" anywhere within fandom circles. Gen or het shippers are almost always "yeah, I see where the slashers are coming from but it's just not my thing."

However, that may just be because of how slash-heavy my fandoms are. Sheer volume tends to be the biggest of irritants, so I would probably not have this opinion if I was into less slash-heavy fandoms.

Now, outside of close fandom circles of the female-majority, fanfic-and-discussion, LJ school of fandom? IA with your opinion 100%, especially the whole "being gay taints their friendships" thing that happens on general forums. Like, jesus fuck. Aren't romantic relationships that have friendship at their core the best sort of romantic relationship? I mean, I totally can see why people can like a platonic interpretation better than a romantic one, but thinking it "taints" the friendship is not only homophobic but also unimaginative and totally insecure.

Yep, this absolutely.

"ew not gay, they are just friends, ugh"

or

"they are totally gay!"

Hmm, which is more offensive...

i see you've never come across "sterek for gay rights" type of people.

ayrt

The former is more offensive, even if the latter is more annoying (to me) because I see it more. The former is actually nasty and homophobic. The latter is just immature.

The former would be more irritating to me if I ran in circles that weren't so slash-saturated though.

You're going out of context. If indeed it's just those statements, it's fine.

But it's not. It's the shit you responded too. It's smug motherfuckers going "oh they are so obviously gay oh you poor little normies how can you not seeeee" and usually insterting that "cause HE'S SO GAY" into conversations that weren't about sexuality at all until that asshole showed up...

So it's more like

"Yeah, no, they aren't gay"

vs

(4 paragraph essay on why that person is wrong and also a call to dogpile).

and that's a lot more fucking annoying then the person who just wants to wait for a character to actually say/do something in canon before they go to that conclusion.

That "ugh" isn't always "Ugh, homophobes". A lot of times it's "Ugh, you shitting up the board with your reaching theories FOR THE FIFTH THREAD. TODAY."

Edited 2014-06-09 04:53 (UTC)

Yes. All of this right here. ^

Isn't the point of slash that the characters aren't canonically gay? Isn't slash about subverting the dominant paradigm and thumbing one's nose at the patriarchy? Or do I just not get why people are that into slash? (I mean, I get the pron aspects of slash, but 85% of slash never gets to the sexytimes.)

I think in fandom, slash is completely equivalent to gay. Slash is used to describe non-canon relationships because there are so few gay relationships out there in media at all.

But no. You think liking slash is.... merely a political statement? Seriously?

No, slash is about fetishizing gay male relationships while not having to bother with pesky vaginas.

ooh aren't you edgy

Lol 85%. Not in any fandom I've ever been a part of - slash is mostly either romance or porn. I don't know that anyone's subverting any paradigms; if they were they'd be into vastly different canons.

No, that's just the excuse slashers give to make their OTP more morally superior and legitimate so they can be self-satisfied-ly secure that shipping their OTP is the only correct option.

Het shippers pull similar lofty excuses out of their asses to bolster their het ships, but most het ships don't have a built-in "stick it to the man!" button so het shippers tend to be more creative and ridiculous with their excuses.

Edited 2014-06-08 22:21 (UTC)

Why make excuses? I like two characters together, I ship them. Full stop. Nothing lofty about that.

I know right? But no, some people cannot ship something they like. They must show how it's "undeniable" and "the only possible interpretation" and how "there's absolutely no other way to explain Canon Incident X even though there are 20 excellent fics that do explain Canon Incident X non-shippily" and how a non-romantic interpretation is Just Wrong.

Because as everyone knows, the most strong, convincing, endearing, and inspiring argument in favor of a ship is "well, nothing *else* works, so I guess this is the only option."

Double bonus points if you can fit in some kind of snide "men can't act that way towards each other unless they're gay!" or "why would he help her if he ~~doesn't want to get into her pants~~ isn't in love with her?" comment. Or implying that the only reason to care whether someone lives or dies is if you are romantically interested in them.

Not really, no. Slash is just a type of shipping, and shipping doesn't have a higher purpose. It's just for fun, whatever the excuses.

Somebody's never been in the Torchwood fandom.

I think both ways are offensive and annoying. Both extremes.

""They aren't GAY goddammit, stupid slash fans" Needs to be said to RPF tinhatters. (not normal shippers and fic writers but TINHATTERS.) It's all sorts of disgusting. And yeah, when I'm going into shows like Teen Wolf or SPN for instance all the "it's canon they are gay, you're wrong if you think otherwise!" i think is offensive too. It's not just shippy it's kinda tinhatting and they need to know what canon means.

But "They aren't GAY goddammit, stupid slash fans" to any slash shipping whatsoever to people who ship and write fic aka the average fan, that is really offensive and that makes me angry. Like they think what fans do will change what the canon is or something. Like go freaking watch the show and don't mind what fans do, ugh.

So both to me! Lol

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