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Peter or Tyrion?

Everyone loves Peter as far as I know. And he seems like a good guy.

Tyrion has lots of fans too. I actually loved him up until the end of ASOS. But I could not with him after he murdered Shae and ADWD just made me hate him more.

even though she tried getting him killed and slept with his father who had his fiancee gangraped?

*even though she did what she had to do to survive because she was in a position of zero power

It wasn't a matter of survival, she was bought off by Cersei.

I'm sure if she'd refused Cersei, Cersei would have been like "yeah, that's cool! No big!"

lmao. Shae was in a bad position and she did what was best for her.

Tyrion knew she was a prostitute. It's not her fault that Tyrion was deluded enough to think that she really loved him.

So being a prostitute means you're unable to fall in love with anyone?

Did I say that?

It's just really obvious in the books that Shae is only there for the $$$$ and position. And Tyrion convinces himself that it's ~more than that~, except lmao nope. It's not. And when Shae has an opportunity to look out for herself, she doesn't have any qualms about betraying him.

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fauxkaren - 2014-06-12 01:16 (UTC) - Expand

No: but it doesn't oblige you to either. The fact that Tyrion loved Shae did not somehow require her to reciprocate the emotion. What Tyrion forgot was that their whole relationship was a transaction: Shae didn't owe Tyrion anything - and certainly not a demonstration of loyalty which could easily have cost her her life.

diet_poison - 2014-06-12 01:15 (UTC) - Expand

We don't know what Cersei would have done, just what she did.

fauxkaren - 2014-06-11 23:44 (UTC) - Expand

DA

Yeah, I highly doubt either Cersei or Tywin would have just let her go. Plus, she made it quite clear that she was only with Tyrion for his money. He projected on her a quite a bit.

Well, it's not that Tyrion's in a position of power when he kills her. She made bad choices, so did he. Nothing worse than all the rest of the characters have done in the series/books.

Not saying he's a saint. No on in ASOIAF is. Just don't get the hate.

Nice excuse there.

So if she tries to kill him, it's doing what she must to survive, but if he tries to kill her, it's unforgivable?

I've never read the books, but this confuses me.

It's because he has a penis

She didn't TRY to kill him. She testified against Tyrion in order to save her own skin.

Tyrion killed Shae because he was pissed off that the woman he'd be paying to have sex with him didn't love him.

no, because she testified against him about killing joffrey and then had sex with his father

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More like she testified agains him because she wanted power and money.

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So it's just an incidental thing if her testimony gets Tyrion executed, right? She's just doing what she has to. No big.

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Their situations are completely different, though. Shae testified against Tyrion because that was probably her only way to get out of a bad situation. Tyrion killed Shae because he wanted revenge.

One of these things is not like the other!

Tyrion projected all of his feelings on an 18 year old whore who was just doing her job. It's his own damn fault for feeling she owed him love, and murdering her was crossing a line. We don't even know why Shae was with Tywin, but I'm fairly certain she was in no position to reject him had he approached her.

I feel your bit about not knowing why she was with Tywin is a good one. Understanding that I only know what I've read on wikis, my first thought on her being in Tywin's bed is that she likely had no choice in that either.

He went from great to completely horrible so quickly in ADWD. Here's hoping they take some artistic license with that in the show.

They'll probably woobify him. Smooth the bitterness and cruelty of ADWD Tyrion into misery and noble suffering. I can see the fix-it AUs already.

Good! It will even the scales from when they woobified Shae.

She betrayed him in the book to save her skin and for money. In the show, they woobified her so that HE betrayed her and she felt all sad because she loved him. They gave her an EXCUSE to testify against him, rather than having her do it for the same motivations as she had in the original text.

This was exactly when I fell off the Tyrion wagon, too. I still want to like him and I love Peter Dinklage's performance, but yeah. I wonder if GRRM can do something to bring him back around, he's redeemed some unlikely characters before...