[ SECRET POST #2738 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2738 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Wizards vs. Aliens]


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[Hayao Miyazaki]


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[Dragon Age Inquisition]


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[Sarah Michelle Gellar and Lena Horne]


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[Girl Genius]


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07.
[Dark Souls]


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08.
[TRON: Legacy]


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09.
[Phantom of the Opera]


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10.
[Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas]








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Comments

[mekkio]

I get that his movies are good. With his earlier movies being better than his later ones. But I don't get the, "OMG! HE IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN DISNEY!"

No. No. I'm not even all that much of a fan of Disney and I feel like this is wrong. Disney took chances with his animation. First one to do a full length movie. First one to do layers, that is, painting on separate panes to give the animation depth. First one to work with computer animation in the full length movies.

Miyazaki has never even tackled doing a musical. Do you know how hard it is to do a musical?

I see Disney as, "hey, let's develop a program so we can animate every snowflake in 3D and they can look as sharp as real snowflakes." While Miyazaki is like, "No, let's not. The traditional ways work best. We don't need to rock the boat."

Personally, I'd rather see people try something and fail than see the same old, same old.

[(Anonymous)]

Is this bait?

[mekkio]

No, it's called an opinion. Sorry, if you don't agree with me. People can have different ideas.

[(Anonymous)]

Annnnnd this is what trolling has brought us to. When someone actually holds a "controversial" opinion, people don't think it's real. It's like the boy who cried wolf, only with discussion.

[cushlamochree]

They both make really good animated movies. I honestly don't see any reason to throw shade on one or the other. The fact that Miyazaki is still doing things basically traditionally, as far as animation style, doesn't actually make it worse; it's a style that still fundamentally works and Miyazaki and Takahata are incredibly fucking good at executing it. Similarly, the lack of a musical is more a difference of style than anything else.

I don't know. I guess I would agree that Disney is better at advancing the technical art of animation, but I don't think that's the same standard as judging them by how good the movies they make are, and I care way more about the latter.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Doing more technically innovative thing doesn't mean you necessarily make better movies. That said, I've enjoyed and not really enjoyed movies by both studios. They're both capable of good work or missteps.

[(Anonymous)]

AT least Miyazaki's movies aren't about princesses. I want my daughter to admire girls like Chihiro, Nausicaa or San, not Cinderella or Snow White.

[(Anonymous)]

Isn't Nausicaa a princess?

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, but she isn't a fairy tale princess.

[(Anonymous)]

But his movies almost always show the same type girl and story. A head strong girl either voluntarily leaves for a new land or finds herself in a new land. There she discovers who she is through her friends and her own new adventures. Only two of his movies stand away from this mold, Castle of Cagliostro and Princess Mononoke with Ashitaka playing the part of the head strong girl.

[vethica]

I'd argue that Chihiro's not exactly headstrong.

[(Anonymous)]

You mean, Snow White who had to run away at a young age and in return for shelter, worked at cleaning house to pay for her keep? And Cinderella, who was also constantly doing chores and all she wanted was--not a prince, mind you--but a night off?

[(Anonymous)]

+infinity. I hate the reputation fairytale princesses have nowadays.

[iggy]

Why are you comparing heroines from the 1930s and 1950s to movies from the 1980s, 1990s, and 2000s? Disney's princesses in recent decades are plenty admirable (not that Snow and Cindy aren't in their own way either) and it's a shame if you're going to shut your daughter out of that because of your own agenda.

[(Anonymous)]

The whole reason the Disney Princesses became a thing was because playing Princess was already part of little girl culture. Somebody in marketing noticed it and bumped up what Disney already had to offer. If anything, I think it's like a toe in the door to encourage girls to be something alongside the princess behavior they pretend at. Belle is smart, Ariel is adventurous, Tiana is hardworking. It's a shame Mulan doesn't quite make the lineup because Disney is pretty short on the kicking ass type, but overall the Disney princesses are a sight better than the Spoiled, Gets Her Own Way type of princess that girls might be pretending to be otherwise.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, the studios have different goals when it comes to what they want their movies to be, but I don't think Ghibli (Miyazaki specially) are above critique from the fact that they play it TOO safe when it comes to certain things... like character design.

[(Anonymous)]

http://i.imgur.com/lb6uNsR.jpg Case in point.

[iggy]

It is funny that tumblr especially throws a fit over Disney using sameface but then worships the ground Ghibli walks on.

[illiadandoddity]

There was actually a really good and detailed post debunking the "Ghibli sameface" thing.

[(Anonymous)]

Ooooooh, musicals. Please.

[(Anonymous)]

Disney was first to do a full-length cell animation, yes, though there were a handful of full-length stop-motion animation films before Snow White (The Adventures of Prince Achmed, the oldest surviving, is up on archive.org).

I've also read conflicting ideas on who did the multiplane camera first specifically for depth of field -- Ub Iwerks is generally credited with having created the first version after he left Disney, but there's some speculation that he saw prospective plans the Disney studios had already engineered and just happened to build and put his into use first (Fleischer Studios had also made and was using a funky cousin of the eventual multiplane around then, too). Though Disney Studios refined the hell out of the technique, in either case.

At any rate: Disney Studios definitely have an innovation mindset behind their techniques. But I think Miyazaki is more apt to say "The traditional ways (usually) work best (for my work)."

In an interview with The Guardian, he said that he thinks CGI has the potential to equal or surpass hand-drawn work, but that it's basically too late for him to be that person. He doesn't have a problem with other Studio Ghibli directors or productions using CGI. Plus, not all of Miyazaki's films are 100% hand-drawn, either. The CGI when there is minimal, but the effort to make it blend in with the hand-drawn when it was first used in one of his films did require some innovation for its time, plus the willingness to say "this will do it better".

(This being the Internet, none of this is to say that you should therefore like Miyazaki's stuff more or Disney Studio's less or whatever. The comparison feels kind of apple-y orange-ish to me, personally. It also seems like it feeds into the thinking that animation is a genre, rather than a medium.)

[kaffy_r]

I like you.

[(Anonymous)]

Fuck off. CGI is shit and is the cancer killing animation.

[(Anonymous)]

Fuck off. CGI is going to save animation.

[(Anonymous)]

Nice shit taste m8.