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Hmm I still don't agree with some of the comments here solving these "easy" plotholes. At any rate, they were just a few that popped into my mind while writing the secret, certainly not a comprehensive list.

-If it was so easy for Voldemort & his Death Eaters to get all of the security out of the MoM then why couldn't he just waltz in and take the prophecy himself? I think it would have been a lot easier to do that than risk the huge fight that followed (and of course the prophecy smashing, which was the Worst Thing that could've happened)!

-Many of you are implying it would have been too difficult.... Where did it ever say there was a limit in how many wizards you could take with you? To my knowledge, whoever grabs on is along for the ride. They even recommend side along apparition in OotP in the ministry safety pamphlets that were sent out. And I doubt all the first timers would be "throwing up"... When Harry first tried it, he said it wasn't a great feeling, but he certainly wasn't ill. I know the portkey was used to introduce it earlier on in the book, and I think that's really the only logical reason, not all this nonsense we've made up why side along wouldn't work. :P

-I am not understanding what everyone means by only wizards are tracked. They know Harry is the only wizard in that area so they assume any magic performed came from Harry, ie, when Dobby did his hover charm. So when Arthur is doing magic to help Dudley, when Dumbledore levitates the wine glasses to hit the Dursleys, when several members of the Order come in, all of these instances should have set off a charm. I understand maybe not in Mr. Weasley's case who could have alerted the ministry that he was coming to pick up Harry, but in later books the Order admits the ministry is in Voldemort's control and that's the whole purpose they tried taking Harry out by brooms instead of magic, so anything after that point should have gotten Harry caught.

-I do remember hearing JK Rowling's answer of this that the death hadn't ~sunk in~ or something which I think is BS. And those who said he didn't witness it because he was in his crib... that's not true... Direct quote from the book: "The child had not cried all this time. He could stand, clutching the bars of his crib, and he looked up into the intruder’s face with a kind of bright interest, perhaps thinking that it was his father who hid beneath the cloak, making more pretty lights, and his mother would pop up any moment, laughing."

I can't explain them all, but...

-I'm pretty sure the entire point of the portkey at the World Cup was just to explain early on what would later be happening at the Tri-Wizard Tournament. Was it the easiest solution, perhaps not; but it was necessary to explain what would later happen without bogging down the climax of the book.

-I always got the feeling that the track on underage magic was sort of doggy. Like, of course kids practiced magic at home, the ministry couldn't possibly think to expel all of them. And, wasn't it implied that Hermione, after learning she was a witch (and, perhaps now under the restriction) was practicing some spells before entering Hogwarts.

-I really don't think a baby just a little over a year old has the mental facilities to truly understand what he saw. Even if there'd been a thestral in the room at the time, I doubt Harry would have been able to see it, because all he would have cared about is eating, sleeping, elieving himself, and being comforted during a time of obvious distress.

- Portkey seems safer for transporting larger groups of people, specially children, because apparition may be more complicated to pull off with longer distances, and because it's not clear who would be in danger of being spliced in side-along apparition.

-Adult wizards are allowed to do magic wherever they please. Any un-authorized activity in Harry's house would have set off the charm because it assumes that Harry is the only (minor) wizard living there.

-It says right there in the quote: Baby Harry didn't understand what was going on. He thought his mother was playing along with the hooded figure. He thought the lights were pretty, rather than menacing. I don't remember in which part of the books that quote is from, but most of Harry's flashbacks to that event are told from a 3rd person PoV, or it's Harry having repressed memories resurface because of dementors or something similar.

The only person that can take a prophecy from its resting place is the person (or persons) it's about.

You're reaching really hard on the "Well, we don't know how many people you can side apparate" It's way into speculation and therefore not really a plothole at this point.

I honestly don't remember the magic being used in his house specifically enough to comment on it. I seem to remember that Harry was being tracked, but I don't know if that's just how I remember it or if that's really the case

What do you remember from when you're a baby? My father was stabbed in my home when I was three months old and while I know it happened, I don't remember it so it doesn't count as something I witnessed

That's why I said Voldy should have just walked in and got the damn thing himself (since it's about him too). If the place was empty and he had no problem getting in then I don't see why not.

But I see it as speculation when people just make up that they'd have to make so many trips just for side-along apparition when nowhere is it stated there's a limit.

Voldemort was still trying to be incognito at the time, and his appearance at the ministry was a fuck-up; he meant to be hidden for a lot longer, it's just that his original plan went tits-up and he had to step in. As to why lure Harry to get the prophecy? Two birds, one stone. He gets the prophecy and a (frankly possibly higher in his priorities) clean shot at finally killing Harry where he's away from his customary protection.

It may not be stated that there's no limit for side-along apparition, but apparition is described as being dangerous and you see first hand that it can be even for someone who knows what they're doing (Ron at the MoM break-in? He came out seriously injured.) It takes a lot of concentration just to apparate yourself well (it's stated more than once that a lot of wizards don't even consider it worth learning), and I imagine the more physical mass that has to be moved, the more concentration necessary, and therefore a much larger risk of lethal error.

SA

Also, I forgot to mention: the Death Eaters clearly rely on Harry's previous patterns of behavior, as we see when he uses the disarming charm and outs himself at the Real Potter. OotP is the book that explicitly has Harry going into the final battle surrounded by a support group (which was of course JKR making a contrast to his feeling isolated for so much of the group). Based on his previous actions and the simple/idiotic conclusions the Death Eaters seem to draw about Harry (remember they know about him facing Quirell and a basilisk alone and trying to kill Sirius single-handedly, and fighting Voldemort alone), he should have shown at the ministry alone, meaning he would have been toast. The only reason he survived that encounter was because he had a whole group with him.

There's a point that comes where it's all speculation and therefore not really a plot hole so much as something people can't agree on. To me anyway.

IT DOESN'T HAVE HIS NAME ON IT. Jesus. The only people who could touch the prophecy were Harry and Neville. I thought you'd read the books.

It said "Dark Lord" on it. Don't be so fucking rude.

It was either "Dark Lord" or "Tom Marvolo Riddle".

Which, you know, Voldemort.

We know Apparation carries the danger of being "Splinched" even with single wizards who just aren't paying careful enough attention. It makes sense that this danger would go up with the more people you bring along. With Portkeys, everyone just has to grab on and go, no danger of missing body parts. It's clear which seems to be the safer route of travel when there's a bunch of underage kids tagging along.

SA

After all, in DH it was just the Trio Side-Along-ing, and Ron still got splinched.

"why couldn't he just waltz in and take the prophecy himself?"--uh, because he didn't just want the prophecy, he wanted Harry as well?

"To my knowledge, whoever grabs on is along for the ride"==nope. Side-Along is not like dragging magnets--there is not instance in the series of Side-Along with more than one "passenger." I imagine that has to do with the whole "Desire" aspect--the more people you have to think about, the more difficult it would be to focus on your destination and everything else. Portkey is best for large numbers of people. Apparition would be a very impractical way to transport groups of people to the QWC.

Only underage wizards and witches have the Trace. Plain and simple. Nothing D-dore or Mr. Weaseley did would've set off "the charm"

Harry didn't realize what he was seeing when Voldemort killed his parents. It's pretty simple. I think you're trying to see plotholes that aren't really there.

Not OP

I think the Trace is the big plothole here. IIRC they explain in DH that the reason the ministry knows underage magic is performed because of the Trace on the wands. So Dobby levitating some plates around shouldn't get Harry into trouble, seeing as his wand wasn't used.

Though I always wondered about the Trace as well. When was it put on the wands? Is it put on the wand during the creation process? What if you buy a wand in a different country and bring it into Britain, would it still have a Trace? What if an adult needs a new wand, will the Trace have to be removed, first?

(I feel like wands are some of the biggest plotholes in the book. The whole "winning wands" thing introduced in DH throws up so many unanswered questions)

About Dobby: DH actually says the Trace is a charm directly on underage-wizards, not that it's on the wands themselves. And it monitors spells which are being cast around, as well as by, the underage wizard. No one was supposed to be casting spells around Harry in a Muggle household in CoS, so they probably assumed Dobby's spells came from him. (Of course, I don't know why Dumbledore's didn't ping in HBP, but it's possible the Ministry knew Dumbledore would be there).

there is not instance in the series of Side-Along with more than one "passenger."

Not true. In DH, Hermione side-along apparates Harry, Ron, and Yaxley who grabbed on at the last second. Ron did get splinched but that's because of the chaos of the situation.

You are trying way too hard to hold onto these holes.

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