[ SECRET POST #2742 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2742 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

06. http://i.imgur.com/12LnCgY.png

[morieris]

How many in the group could Apparate? If I remember properly, the older boys were coming later, and even then....actually, they all could have apparated with Harry, Ron, Hermione, and Ginny being paired up.

[(Anonymous)]

But only Arthur, Bill, and Charlie could apparate at that point in the books. The twins weren't 17 yet.

[diet_poison]

Maybe Side-Along is a really difficult form that only very powerful or practiced individuals can perform?

[cushlamochree]

It's magic.

Magic.

Magic.

Magic.

[(Anonymous)]

I love the books as well, but they're not well thought-out or well written, and the sooner one accepts that, the easier life is.

[cushlamochree]

This is very true. Very little of it hangs together if you try to think about it in terms of internal logic, but it's still a great story.

[(Anonymous)]

They are very well-written by the standards of all other contemporary children's books, at least in terms of characterization, readability, painting a vivid imaginative picture, etc. Not very well-thought-out though, no.

LOL, "the sooner one accepts that, the easier life is"? Dude, you take this waaaaayyy too seriously.

[(Anonymous)]

This is only true for those too stupid or shallow to really understand them.

[rubbertea]

on the magic in harry's house thing: i think that's because unlike dumbledore, the aurors and the weasleys, dobby isn't a registered wizard.

[morieris]

As well as the fact that all the humans who did magic in his house were either Ministry employees or the most powerful wizard on the planet after he just got proved right about Voldemort's return.

[(Anonymous)]

That doesn't make sense. Dobby would have done magic at the Malfoy house (as well as the other Malfoy house elves), Kreacher would have done magic while the kids were all at Number 12 and the house elves in other wizarding houses would have done the same. Also, Mr. Crouch took Winky to the Tri-Wizard cup and no one seemed especially surprised, so it can't be that odd for owners to take them out with them, where they likely would have done magic in service to their wizards.

The magic restriction would have to excluded house elves in general or else they'd be getting false alarms hourly.

[(Anonymous)]

For the one about the Thestrals, I think it's psychological. Harry did see his parents die, but since he was just a baby he couldn't understand what it was, so its effect didn't count.

[(Anonymous)]

While I agree that there are plotholes in HP in general, I find your examples lacking.


1. GoF spends the whole book not so subtly laying out how far the MoM had been infiltrated by Death Eaters. High up Death Eaters. That Voldemort could get in? Not really a huge leap of logic.

2. A portkey definitely seems more practical for transporting a large group simultaneously. Especially as Mr Weasley and Cedric's father must have been concerned about the risk of getting split up when Harry was with them. Also, I just really loved the imagery of the old boot.

3. We are constantly told that House Elves are the lowest of the low. Wizards are tracked. Seems logical to me that the ministry doesn't bother to track house elves

4. I can kind of see your point here. I guess you could argue that Harry didn't really witness it. He was a baby, he didn't have the mental faculties to understand what happened. Instinctively he may have been upset and scarred by it, but his cognitive faculties weren't developed enough for him to have 'witnessed death'.

[(Anonymous)]

1. The Death Eaters quietly took out night security so Harry and crew could get in. Harry even points out how weird it is to have no one there. The staff either have no memory of what happened or it didn't matter by the point of inquiry, since Voldemort was out in the open again.

2. The portkey was more convenient with the size of the group. They could have come back and forth for each person, but apparition sounds pretty unpleasant and they may not have wanted to subject the kids to it.

3. All the people you mention were there with the knowledge of the ministry. Arthur had to have the Dursley home hooked up to the Floo Network, and later on the Order had several ministry members who were probably carefully covering their presence in the Dursley home. It might have been as simple as Kingsley showing up in the magical misuse office and asking a buddy of his to ignore the magic showing up at the Dursley's house that night.

4. JKR answered this herself: Harry never saw his mother die. He was in his cradle.

[tasogare_n_hime]

They didn't apparate because the portkey was introducing a plot device that was going to be very important at the end of the book.

[(Anonymous)]

A few of those questions have already been answered, perhaps in interviews but also the books themselves.

- The Ministry entrance was actually quite faulty - IIRC you mostly just needed to say "I am so and so" and you got in. But it was after hours, and there weren't human beings there.

- There were way too many people to help apparate, probably.

- Harry got into trouble because they probably just sensed there was unauthorized magic. Although okay, this one does seem tricky...

- Harry couldn't see Thestrals because he hadn't perceived anyone's death yet. He was only a baby when his parents' died. Of course, he could remember that they had...

[intrigueing]

Well, the MoM thing was all a giant trap intended to make Harry think it was just a closed office at night. So it's no huge stretch of the imagination to assume Voldemort is the magical equivalent of a super-hacker as for why no security was tripped. He probably spent a good long time figuring out how to break into the Ministry without anyone noticing - making a couple of mistakes along the way with Bode, etc - and then he sent Harry the bogus Sirius dream as soon as he perfected the ambush plan. One can even imagine the Death Eaters and him running through the scenario beforehand to make sure it worked.

[(Anonymous)]

Were there plotholes? Oh hell yes. But you could have maybe chosen four that weren't so easily debunked in the comments thread.

[11thdoctor]

I mean to remember that taking someone along to aparate makes them throw up 9/10 times the first time you do it, so I guess they didn't want hundreds of piles of throw up laying around from all the little kids?

Also I think apparating so far away might be risky and very hard, definitely also considering not all wizards have the same magical abilities, so there must be lots of people who also never learn to apparatesafely or even very far. Such mass moving of people seems much more logical by port key.

My favourite plothole

[(Anonymous)]

Some of those are resolvable, but the ones that really get me are all in Goblet of Fire.

Specifically:

- Why didn't Mad-Eye/Crouch just save himself some trouble and turn Harry's toothbrush, or something similarly accessible and innocuous, into a portkey? That means he wouldn't have to pull a year-long grift of trying to ensure Harry beat all comers to the Triwizard Trophy, which he still came within an instant of failing to do.

- Why did Harry, who is impetuous but not totally stupid, not think for a moment that there's a large group of people - some of whom were shown at the start of the book to be active - out to get him? When his name 'mysteriously' appears from the goblet, it doesn't mean he has to compete. It's fairly obvious that there's shenanigans involved, so why not shrug the shoulders, enjoy the show and stay firmly out of harm's way?

OP here

[(Anonymous)]

Hmm I still don't agree with some of the comments here solving these "easy" plotholes. At any rate, they were just a few that popped into my mind while writing the secret, certainly not a comprehensive list.

-If it was so easy for Voldemort & his Death Eaters to get all of the security out of the MoM then why couldn't he just waltz in and take the prophecy himself? I think it would have been a lot easier to do that than risk the huge fight that followed (and of course the prophecy smashing, which was the Worst Thing that could've happened)!

-Many of you are implying it would have been too difficult.... Where did it ever say there was a limit in how many wizards you could take with you? To my knowledge, whoever grabs on is along for the ride. They even recommend side along apparition in OotP in the ministry safety pamphlets that were sent out. And I doubt all the first timers would be "throwing up"... When Harry first tried it, he said it wasn't a great feeling, but he certainly wasn't ill. I know the portkey was used to introduce it earlier on in the book, and I think that's really the only logical reason, not all this nonsense we've made up why side along wouldn't work. :P

-I am not understanding what everyone means by only wizards are tracked. They know Harry is the only wizard in that area so they assume any magic performed came from Harry, ie, when Dobby did his hover charm. So when Arthur is doing magic to help Dudley, when Dumbledore levitates the wine glasses to hit the Dursleys, when several members of the Order come in, all of these instances should have set off a charm. I understand maybe not in Mr. Weasley's case who could have alerted the ministry that he was coming to pick up Harry, but in later books the Order admits the ministry is in Voldemort's control and that's the whole purpose they tried taking Harry out by brooms instead of magic, so anything after that point should have gotten Harry caught.

-I do remember hearing JK Rowling's answer of this that the death hadn't ~sunk in~ or something which I think is BS. And those who said he didn't witness it because he was in his crib... that's not true... Direct quote from the book: "The child had not cried all this time. He could stand, clutching the bars of his crib, and he looked up into the intruder’s face with a kind of bright interest, perhaps thinking that it was his father who hid beneath the cloak, making more pretty lights, and his mother would pop up any moment, laughing."

[diet_poison]

eh I think some of these are worse than others.

Side Along might be really advanced or difficult, and only a few people (such as Dumbledore) can do it.

I imagine Ministry folks doing magic in the house would be noted by said Ministry, so Harry wouldn't be penalized for that.

As for the Thestrals, did he actually *see* his folks die? Were his eyes even open?

Got no answer to the first one, though.

[(Anonymous)]

A better question would be why didn't Hermione get in trouble for practicing magic at home before the school term started her first year?

[(Anonymous)]

My goodness.

1. He Apparated in? And no one was there because it was night, so no one noticed. I guess the visitor's entrance was accessible to Harry.

2. Because there were people constantly arriving from all over the world and mass Apparation would have been a disaster, with people crashing into each other and getting Splinched all over the place. Also, why not Portkey at get everyone there in one go? Why the hell not? That's not even a plot hole.

3. Because they were adults and thus registered with the Ministry as allowed to perform magic.

4. Because he was too young when his mother died to remember seeing. JKR has answered this in an interview.

Honestly, these are ridiculous "plot holes". The series has some legitimate ones, but these are just piddly nonsense you could have figured out yourself after just giving it five minutes thought.