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So I'm one of "those" people

[(Anonymous)]

So I'm a pretty sensitive person, so maybe that's related to this, but, anyway, I'm one of those people who are overly sensitive about animals. I don't go off to people about it or anything, but treating non-human animals like their lives have no value or that they are lesser or worthless makes me sick and upset. Every life is valuable to me. People seem to get really upset at people who feel this way, and I've gotten some really mean comments for telling people I find seeing pictures of dead things upsetting and disgusting. I just don't understand how anyone couldn't feel the same.

I guess the reason I'm even mentioning this is because the other day I got exposed to watching someone trap kill an animal on the T.V. and my anxiety got bad and I got so upset and it was just horrible, and now I keep hearing these commercials about killing mice (mouse traps maybe? I don't know I don't watch T.V. my parents just have it on all the time) and it's making me upset to have to listen to, like they are making it into a joke or something like it's just so casual. I'm starting to just get tired of getting upset every day while other people just seem to not bat an eye at anything.

I guess the point of this is, I want to know, do you feel like every life is valuable, or am I a crazy person? Or are the people who don't bat an eye at death the crazy ones? Man I don't even know why I'm putting this out in public. Sorry.

Re: So I'm one of "those" people

[(Anonymous)]

I think every life has value.

How much value is subjective, relative, and open to debate.

Re: So I'm one of "those" people

[(Anonymous)]

SA

1 cent coins technically have value.

Value can also be negative.

Define "valuable."

Re: So I'm one of "those" people

[(Anonymous)]

Every life is not equally valuable, IMO. Mice are disease-carrying vermin that do terrible things to houses. I do not feel bad for kill traps.

And I eat meat without batting an eye and have no problem with hunters either. But YMMV.

Re: So I'm one of "those" people

[(Anonymous)]

Anon who replied above.

Yes. I'd like to point out that plants are technically alive, too. Those are lives.

Re: So I'm one of "those" people

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

I agree that mice are disease-carrying vermin that do bad things to houses. When I was a little girl raised on Beatrix Potter, I thought they were cute; when I was a grown woman in a house of my own, finding their shit in my kitchen drawers and my food, I definitely thought differently, and I wonder how tender OP would feel about the mice if it was her food, that she'd bought with her own paycheck, that she was involuntarily sharing with them and that they were spoiling.

On the other hand, while I'll set traps for mice in the garage (or gratefully praise my cat, William, when he kills them in the house), I don't want them to suffer a slow death in a glue trap, and I don't gloat about William torturing them. I'm not going to gleefully post pictures of his little victims when I find them laid out on the bathroom floor in the morning.

Re: So I'm one of "those" people

[(Anonymous)]

I don't feel as strongly as you, but no, I don't think you're crazy. It sounds natural to me for people to feel that way.

Re: So I'm one of "those" people

[(Anonymous)]

I agree and disagree.

I think one of the biggest problems is that it's just so subjective as to what and how value is defined.

Probably gonna be controversial, but I think any and all animals are more valuable than a pre-20 week fetus. I'd feel worse about running over a squirrel than getting a first trimester abortion honestly.

At the same time, though, I get really frustrated with people who feel the need to project their morality on others. Don't want to eat meat? Fine, then don't -- no problem. But if someone calls me a murderer because I like burgers, I'm gonna tell them to piss off.

I love animals. But I'm that doesn't mean I think it's immoral to kill them or make use of them as long as one is respectful and acknowledges the sacrifice. I had to sacrifice 16 mice a few days ago to harvest tumors. And while I feel sorry for the poor mice, I don't regret my actions in the slightest.

Re: So I'm one of "those" people

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, OP is doing some serious projecting here, and I agree with you on pretty much all of your points. I'm okay with people being sensitive and I'm actually pretty happy to handle the stuff they aren't as comfortable with for them. Someone has to take care of bugs / kill things / sacrifice stuff; better it be the person who's less affected personally by it. But being less affected doesn't mean you're somehow evil or bad or that you somehow care less, rather it means that you cope better. And that's something that's pretty admirable, if you ask me.

Re: So I'm one of "those" people

[(Anonymous)]

I don't feel that way myself but I don't think that makes you crazy. Just different from me. And most people are different from me. It's not a bad attitude to have, unless it gets in the way of your life.

I think the one thing that people really do get mad about wrt this is when a sensitivity to the suffering of animals turns into an insensitivity to human suffering. You know, I think that's kind of what people are talking about when they talk about how people react to animals dying in movies, and things of that nature - when people react more strongly to animal suffering than to human. Which is just something to be aware of I guess.

Re: So I'm one of "those" people

[(Anonymous)]

da

You know, I think that's kind of what people are talking about when they talk about how people react to animals dying in movies, and things of that nature - when people react more strongly to animal suffering than to human.

See, I always chalked that up to the same reason that people tend to be more upset over the deaths of children than of adults - because children and animals are innocent and rely on adults to look after them. What's more, if an animal is hurt, it doesn't understand WHY it's hurt or what's going on, it only knows that it's in pain. A human at least realizes what is going on.

Re: So I'm one of "those" people

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think you're crazy. You're just sensitive and empathetic.

Re: So I'm one of "those" people

[(Anonymous)]

I see nothing wrong with OP being sensitive and empathetic, but a lot wrong in OP being all 'everybody who is less sensitive and empathetic than me is HEARTLESS and CRUEL and KILLS SMALL ANIMALS WITHOUT A SECOND THOUGHT how could they oh no im cry now', which is essentially what she's going on about and why so many people are taking issue with her post.

Re: So I'm one of "those" people

[(Anonymous)]

I notice that you specifically mentioned animals. Do bugs not count as lives now? Are you as okay with someone exterminating a termite infestation as you are with killing a rat? Is it only the small cute animals that you feel bad for, or would you cry equally over a cockroach or spider or house centipede?

I don't like or enjoy killing animals, but it's a thing that has to be done, and the best you can do is to find a way to do it cleanly and humanely. The way you put it, the fact that I can do something like that without batting an eye makes me somehow not see lives as valuable or be some sort of heartless monster, which is pretty bullshit.

Go ahead and be a bleeding heart and cry over every dead thing if you want, I won't stop you, but don't imply that people who don't are somehow totally evil!!! OMGGgggg so heartless!!! how could you!!!! I dont understand you at all oh noooo

Re: So I'm one of "those" people

[(Anonymous)]

Bugs ARE animals and I font fucking kill them anymore than I'd kill anything else.

You know I might be crazy for valuing all lives equal but at least I'm not jumping to conclusions all over the place, I'm kind of sorry I even brought this up now.

Re: So I'm one of "those" people

[dethtoll]

Let me ask you this: if a mosquito landed on you and started biting, would you smack it?

The reason people treat trapping and killing destructive pests as a casual thing because such hazards (as well as that of roaches and ants and other insects) have been a hazard of human civilization since the beginning. Either we kill them or they destroy our homes and spread disease. In NYC the rat problem is so bad they've had to demolish buildings and they recently discovered 18 viruses previously unknown to science in a study of 133 of the little furry bastards.

So no, people aren't going to stop laying out traps for these things that are just as likely as not to chew your face off. When you consider that the bubonic plague has killed millions in Europe, is it really any wonder why?

Re: So I'm one of "those" people

[(Anonymous)]

This. There are a lot of reasons people might want to get rid of vermin, and torturing animals is probably not one of them. Saying that people who use mouse traps think animals' lives are inherently less valuable is not really fair.

Re: So I'm one of "those" people

[(Anonymous)]

You probably wouldn't believe it, but I don't kill mosquitoes. I usually just blow or shake them off.

I understand there's a disease issue, the whole topic still upsets me though. I'm sorry I haven't been feeling well and I didn't really word my post tastefully.

Thanks for taking the time to answer. Sorry about being an asshole. I shouldn't have ever said anything it was stupid and I knew better.

Re: So I'm one of "those" people

[(Anonymous)]

I think every life is valuable up till a point, but valuable doesn't mean sacred to me, nor does it mean that every life has equal value. You've almost certainly stepped on living blades of grass or other plants and killed insects without meaning to. Do you feel as bad about them as you would about say, killing something that's cute and fuzzy?

I eat meat. I rarely wear leather and never wear fur, but I'm not morally opposed to the idea. If I had to kill animals in order to eat meat, I would. I wouldn't enjoy it, but I think it's hypocritical to eat meat and then shy away from where it comes from. If our positions were reversed, animals would do the same to me without a moment's twinge of conscience, because that's how life is. If I were bleeding and lost at sea, a shark isn't going to go, "Awwww, but she's intelligent and self-aware and has melting eyes, we can't eat her!" Nah. It's going to eat me, because to the shark, I'm meat. Easy meat too, seeing as how I can't swim as fast as a seal.

You're not crazy, no. But I think you're being quite selective in what you "value" and how you think "valuable" things ought to be treated.

Re: So I'm one of "those" people

[(Anonymous)]

I'm guessing the commercial you refer to is that stupid new Tomcat "dead mouse theatre" one? It really is a stupid commercial. It's dumb. It's in bad taste. Never mind that they're only using fake puppets and not dead mice, it's still kinda gross. I side-eye anyone who thinks it's funny. But I don't let hearing it on TV ruin my day.

But that one commercial is not equal to everything everyone around you has ever said ever about animals and the treatment thereof. I wouldn't worry about finding that one stupid fucking commercial awful; I would, however, worry, at the level of anxiety it causes you. That part ain't normal and you probably want to have a talk with someone about it. Most of us can find things distasteful and not support them without having some kind of open reaction to them - we silently judge and then move on with our lives. Getting worked up about it is all on you.

Re: So I'm one of "those" people

[siofrabunnies]

I'm pretty sensitive about animals, too. I don't like it when something has to die, or especially suffers, even if I can recognise it's for the greater good. I totally agree with, say, putting down a rabid dog, but I still feel really bad for it. I don't want it to die, but I understand it has to. I prefer trap-and-release for animals that aren't dangerous (diseased, dangerously venomous and in my home), but I still respect that it had a life, and I'm ending it.

For the record, I'm okay with eating meat and hunting, as long as you use the animal properly and don't make it suffer.

You don't have to be a bleeding heart to have sympathy or empathy.

Re: So I'm one of "those" people

[(Anonymous)]

Animals have value, but I wouldn't say they have equal value to people. I mean, my emotions are sometimes hit more when I see a dog hurt than a person, but logically I believe human life has more value. And I also think different animals have differing values. For example, I don't think insects' lives are super important.

And since I put human lives first, when an animal is a risk to humans, like animals with diseases, killing them is not morally wrong. And while I think the way we actually kill animals for food today is abhorrent, I'm not against the idea of eating meat because I put human lives first.

And I'd say domesticated animals, while they don't have more value just for being domesticated, it is worse when humans hurt them because we bear responsibility towards them because we domesticated them.

Re: So I'm one of "those" people

[(Anonymous)]

This is awkward, but I would've thought your question on MetaFilter would've yielded plenty of sympathy already: http://ask.metafilter.com/270809/hurting-from-co-workers-joke

Look, you seem like a very well intentioned person, but fishing for sympathy on the internet is usually a bad idea. It's one thing to feel bad about the struggles of a dying animal, but if it's making you feel like a terrible, worthless person and (in your own words) "unable to cope", you need the help of a therapist. It's impacting your life negatively. A therapist might help you gain a better perspective on this (particularly because you're very black-and-white on this issue and that's just not realistic) and talk through this issue so it doesn't affect you quite so strongly.

Re: So I'm one of "those" people

[(Anonymous)]

"Every life is valuable to me."

Is it really? Do you spend an equal amount of time agonizing over the suffering of human beings as you do being torn up about suffering animals? I assume you are a vegan. Are you also quite careful as to where you source your produce (locally, organically) because you don't want to exploit the welfare of the many immigrants and undocumented aliens (including children!) who toil in the fields under harsh conditions for little pay? I also assume you are careful about where your clothing, shoes, furniture, electronics, etc. come from because you cannot bear the suffering of workers in sweatshops. Surely you also give of both your time and money to worthy causes, such as volunteering at your local soup kitchen or homeless shelter, since it's hardly fair that the lives of the less fortunate are worse than yours. Equally, you're sure to only vote for politicians who are against war and embargoes, who support social programs, and you cannot watch the news because stories of human suffering occur daily all over the world, in every single country.

Because these are the things you'd do if every life is valuable to you.

"I just don't understand how anyone couldn't feel the same."

Because people rarely feel exactly the same about anything, anon. Death doesn't make me ecstatic, but I also know it's a part of life. You might as well get "sick and upset" over rainy days or long lines at the BMV. There's a limit to how much this affects other people because if you don't put limits on how upset you get over sad, everyday things, then yes, your sanity will almost certainly suffer.

Bottom line is, you need help for your anxiety. It's not normal. Not because it's wrong to feel upset over death or dying, but because you get so upset it interferes with your ability to function. That's the not-normal part. But here's the thing: you're unlikely to seek treatment or make progress if you persist on painting yourself as the the normal outlook and everyone else as abnormal because death doesn't give them an emotional breakdown. Anxiety has a way of fucking up your perspective of what's rational and normal. I know this from firsthand experience. That's why you need help, and I hope you find it.

Re: So I'm one of "those" people

[riddian]

Well, not all life is equally valuable, but it does all have value, and there's something repugnant about callousness. I think it's pretty reasonable to be upset if an animal's death is being treated as an extremely casual thing or made into a joke.