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[ SECRET POST #352 ]

⌈ Secret Post #352 ⌋

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Secrets Left to Post: 10 pages, 250 secrets from Secret Submission Post #051.
Secrets Not Posted: 0 broken links, 0 not!secrets, 0 not!fandom, [ 1 2 3 ] too big, [ 1 ] hate letter.
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Monday, December 24th, 2007.
Current Secret Submission Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

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Still pretty bad. Needs some color theory and life drawing classes, stat.

Wow, and you can do better?

If you can, man up. I'd like to see it.

That's a common fallacy, that one needs to be the bestest artist ever in order to criticize, but hey. I will indulge you. This (http://dr-worm.deviantart.com/) is my deviantart, most of that shit is old though. My y-gallery (http://yaoi.y-gallery.net/user/drworm/) is marginally more up-to-date. Both could have been found by going to my profile. My website has some stuff too, though a lot of it is also old (since I've been drawing for about eight years and have been in art school/s for about 4).

It's not that someone has to be the 'bestest artist ever' in order to critique someone, but, they must have at least a little bit of an eye for artwork and techinique in order to correctly critique someone, otherwise it goes from being a critique to a flame, like, "needs life drawing lessons stat." Surely you wouldn't want someone whose biggest artistic accomplishment is a stick figure to say your artwork lacks anatomical realism and that your coloring is as deep as a puddle.

Judging from the portfolio you've presented, you don't have much room to talk to Keysha-chan specifically, seeing as your style is dramatically different from her's. Her anatomy, in her style, is roughly just as good as yours in your style, and I personally prefer her coloring over yours. It ends up being a matter of opinion at that point...

The difference between the two of you? I know her, not very personally, but I do know she'd be one of the last people on Earth to tell someone they need to go take classes in a harsh and hurtful manner. So, yeah, by saying things that make you sound like a douche, you really did need to 'put up or shut up.'

Just a re: to the art of criticizing, apparently.

Saying that someone needs to have any sort of art skills to know something about colouring is like saying you have to be a sous-chef to appreciate a fine meal.

It just doesn't work that way. Sometimes, the person with the most fucked drawing skills may have the world's best eye for anatomy, or perspective, or colouring.

That person, then, is qualified to say something..

What I meant was that you wouldn't want someone who didn't know what something was supposed to look like to talk trash about something you made.

Also, there's a polite way to say everything, you know? It's called constructive criticism, and, this may not be your policy, but, I've always found that helpful critiques are worth more than mean-spirited and harsh ones, and I make sure to always be helpful if I'm going to critique someone, because that's what I'd want someone to do for me.

True, I didn't approve of the snobby way the guy was trying to explain things to you, but not being able to draw something =/= not knowing what it looks like.

Oh hey, I was bored so I did this mock-up real quick (w/ no reference):

Hate to break it to you, but your friend doesn't have an actual style, the kind that comes from drawing for years and working on vastly different projects and developing intellectual and motor skills. She has an amateur's animu style. As, I will be fair, did I when I was a sophomore or junior in high school. No, her anatomy is not good. There are errors in her drawing that have nothing to do with "style," which the secret-poster redlined (she didn't redline damn near enough, in my opinion). Yes, I'm harsh, because artists hate to hear that there are errors in their work and then people leap to defend them and that just makes it worse. If you can't see the errors, you can't fix them, and part of learning to see as an artist is about recognizing errors.

I may be a douche, but I'm at least a fairly effective one when it comes to critique.

Hot.

And that's really all I have to offer.

:D Thank you very much!

Wow uh.

I'd rather have hers.

Like...a lot. That's uh...wow.

Guess that's the funny thing about art. It's a matter of taste. But uh...wow. Nice uh...scrible demon-person-thing there.

Yeah, I'd rather have Dr Worm's too. Hers actually looks like a person instead of a malformed demon-thing. That's the thing about art, though: I'd rather have something that's unfinished but looks good than a completed picture that looks awful.

Actually, I was saying the exact opposite, I don't like Drworms at all.

I thinks it's ugly and very unfinished looking, not in a good way. I have no doubt Drworm only did it in a few minutes, it shows greatly.

Drworms has more correct to reality anatomy (tho I highly doubt that's what the artist in the secret was going for), but IMO not very nice line quality, chunky amateurish shading (I'm assuming because it was done quickly on a tablet, but she still chose to show something of a lower quality piece to make a point, so it's fair to judge on. Plus the shading was markedly unnecessary, so she added in something bad looking that was unneeded and detracts from the picture) a bad sense of balance (both in the over all composition, and in the figure, they have no center of weight. One leg of the other needs to be farther forward), and there's something very odd going on with the size of the head. The neck is too thick, the shoulders are wrong....oh and the ears are placed wrong. or the hair/ear overlaps badly to make them look like they're in the wrong place.

Of course the pictures not all bad, but as Drworm seem to think they are the shit, or at least present themselves as god's gift to artist...yeah, no.

Yes, it took me fifteen minutes or whatever because it's not fucking finished and not meant to be. I have plenty of finished work up for judgment; this was a challenge to myself.

the shading was markedly unnecessary

wut

One leg of the other needs to be farther forward

One is, but it's a shitty 15 minute drawing and the shading is mediocre.

there's something very odd going on with the size of the head

Sry you don't like big hair.

Oh, and yeah, I know that the shoulder/neck area isn't great, as that tends to be a weak spot of mine. I was too lazy to find myself a reference; if this was a piece I cared about, I'd try harder. I put the same amount of effort into this that I assume the artist of the piece in the secret did. TADA. OH NO IT'S JUST SCRIBBLES, YOU SAY? ON A PAPER NAPKIN? MY WORD, BUT SOME CAD JUST PAID $5000 FOR IT! OH, MY MONOCLE!

And I am totally the shit, glad you noticed.

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