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So I'm trying to be a good feminist but this manslamming thing seems a little silly to me.

So to catch you all up: Manslamming - The practice men have of colliding with women if they do not move aside for them.

My own possibly ignorat thoughts: This is not unique to men. and I don't mean this in the "But men suffer XXX" too!" kind of way, I think people truly regardless of their social privileges assigned by society are split into two groups The "People who inherently move aside" and the "People who stick to their course regardless of obstacles" The latter group are jerks, and a lot of men may also be jerks, but in this one case I do not believe these are connected.

Man, I know from experience that shit ain't gendered. And honestly I feel better moving out of people way, and they appreciate it. (Except for that kid that called me a "Fucking F*gg*t", but he was a violent twat anyway.)

Edited 2015-01-24 00:13 (UTC)

Oh, posted anon because rather a lot of my friends might think less of me for brining this up if I came out with this.

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(Anonymous) - 2015-01-24 00:11 (UTC) - Expand

I agree that it's stupid. Trivial bullshit like this honestly frustrates me and I think it hurts feminists more than it helps to be quite honest.

Yeah, I think that most men who would barrel into women for not moving aside would probably also barrel into men unless the guy they're about to run into really looks like he would kick their ass for it. I honestly don't see many people (or anyone) who would wittingly collide with someone because they don't move to the side though, so idk

OMG. And I love those 'feminists' on tumblr who are like, "SO NOW I JUST KEEP WALKING FORWARD AND RUN INTO PEOPLE! FIGHT THE PATRIARCHY!"

Of course, most men and women don't just run into people. But some men and women do. However, for the ones who do not run into people, there is basically a social contract. When 2 people are walking towards each other BOTH of them move slightly.

But hey feminist, keep fighting the patriarchy by being an ashsole and running into people.

Iawtc.

Also, I think the idea of 'movers' and 'slammers' being just two different type or person can be seen when ever you have two people of the same type meeting. We have all experienced that funny little "You go left I go right" dance they do.

I think it's approaching the issue from the wrong angle. Why do we socialize people to move aside when some asshole of whatever gender is selfishly getting in everyone's way, and call that polite? That's beyond polite, since it's the other person overstepping their boundaries

I could go to Walmart on a Saturday and get slammed on all sides from people of both genders and all ages and ethnicities. And I'm kind of a big white dude, but people seem to see me as harmless (probably because I tend to hunker down and avoid people as best I can and I guess I seem smaller than I really am.)

There's a reason I prefer to go shopping after midnight. And that's because I don't feel like playing human pinball in Nascar Fan Hell.

Someone actually made a video trying this out in a crowded street - with the result that 3 times as many women slammed into them (and were sometimes very rude about it, too. I mean, slamming into each other takes two people, not just one.).

I can think of maybe two instances where 'slamming' happened to me.

1. I was walking with my mother and two guys either refused to move over a little or just didn't think about it. Once we were a safe distance away from them we decided they were ill-raised jackasses.

2. This woman at my high school reunion kept purposefully bumping into people, me included. This guy I was talking and I eventually decided she was cray-cray.

From my totally scientific study related above, we can see that 'slamming' is an equal opportunity offense and the 'feminists' claiming it only comes from men should just shut the fuck and stop embarrassing themselves.

I've been casually reading posts on this to see if anyone will bring a racial factor into the discussion. I saw a separate post that simply said "White women don't know how to say excuse me" and at first I was like, why single out white women for that? But then I wondered if it was a reaction to manslamming. Are they saying white women are guilty of doing the same thing to POC that manslamming claims men do to women? And then what about other factors like age, height, weight? I do believe there are prejudices involved in who tends to yield to whom, but it's much more complex than just men vs. women.

it boogles my mind. If you are the person who refuses to move, then aren't you the asshole? How do you absolutely know that the person coming at you wasn't going to move?

I must be tired, because nothing about this is making any sense to me.

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(Anonymous) - 2015-01-24 00:26 (UTC) - Expand

I don't think this behavior is limited to men, but men are more socialized than women are to establish physical dominance over their personal space. I can see that leading to more collisions.

The man thinks the woman will move.
The woman thinks the man will move.
They're both wrong and they collide.
It's solely the man's fault.

Huh?

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iceyred - 2015-01-24 00:21 (UTC) - Expand

I agree with your theory on slammers vs. movers tbh.

But yes, go on you brave internet feminist, and slam into people to "prove" your point. Much ending sexism, very wow.

That is dumb as hell and pretty much the point where you are just pathologizing normal social interaction, to me.

This is fucking stupid. And I say this as someone who is a feminist.

I haven't heard of this (yet) but yeah, that sounds more like a symptom of being an assclown than being male.

I'm inclined to think that this trend of treating general antisocial behaviors as major social justice problems is a way for people who don't want to have to tackle actual major social justice problems to feel like they're doing something and contributing to the conversation.

(Not that there's no place for discussing how men and women are conditioned to treat space differently, because there is. Men definitely are given the message that they should take up space and be intrusive, whereas women are given the opposite message. But focusing on little bits like that ultimately doesn't change very much)

Edited 2015-01-24 00:42 (UTC)

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a_potato - 2015-01-24 03:43 (UTC) - Expand

I work at a university, and as a middle-aged woman I find the young male undergraduates almost always move aside so as not to bump the mom-aged lady. The last time I was slammed was by a small woman who chose to walk down the dead centre of the sidewalk, and I chose not to step off into the snowbank to get out of her way. I moved to one side, she stuck to the middle, and she bumped me pretty hard. Since I was a lot bigger, it wasn't much of an inconvenience.

Back in the 90s there was a rash of young guys flinging themselves through concert crowds upending people, which was just bizarre. I actually hip-checked one such young arsehole and knocked him staggering, and I hope he felt as stupid as he looked.

i dont rly move out of the way anymore if im walking on the right side of the sidewalk. thats common sidewalk etiquette where im from, you walk on the right side and avoid the left. ive gotten sick of being forced to walk in mud to avoid people who arent paying attention to their surroundings. ive collided with only one person tho and it was a girl, she was turned around and walking backwards to talk with her friends. they were all huddled in a group and taking up the whole sidewalk and i was flanked by her and a 4ft tall mound of snow + a tree so i didnt have a choice. she wasnt apologetic about it

but anyway i get the whole manslamming thing to an extent. as a whole, my experience with guys has been that they take up excess space, even at others' expense (usually women). on the bus, the sidewalk, etc. it's one thing if someone makes a slight effort to get out of your way but expects you to match their effort in order to comfortably pass you. that i can understand and i always match people at the very least. but like i said in my experience men are more likely to not even offer up this much. it's an entitlement thing and i understand why it angers so many people who are disadvantaged by it. i just dont personally make it a habit to bump into as many men as possible.

eta: to clarify i agree that all genders do this sometimes, like i said my only direct experience happened to be with a girl. i think it's largely a lack of awareness issue but i also do see a gender element to it at times

Edited 2015-01-24 02:01 (UTC)

So I asked my SO (white, tattooed, long hair, just turned fifty) what he does as he's walking somewhere. He said yes, he'd move aside for a woman, and also for a man older than him, out of politeness. But any younger guy trying to play 'chicken' or not move will get slammed, because he's all 'rar, fuck you, whippersnapper!'

I will attest to him having a pretty good 'i will eat you alive' public face, though no, he's not a biker or anything.

Me, i avoid everyone because i absolutely do *not* want to touch or actually get close to strangers. Around here (middle of the country), i've never had a guy over the age of about 20 *not* move aside, even if they didn't necessarily need to. Younger guys are way more inclined to not move.

This is Tabaqui, btw - my hard drive is toast so i'm on a borrowed tablet for a bit.

Am I the only person who thought this sounded like a gay porn term?