[ SECRET POST #2948 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2948 ⌋

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Comments

Het Erasure?

[(Anonymous)]

I was reading over yesterday's secrets and someone made a comment about "het erasure." Now, that wasn't their only point (and I did feel some of the others were legitimate), but this really stuck out to me because…does anyone seriously believe this is a thing?

What I mean is, heterosexual romance composes 99% of mainstream media, no matter your race or ethnicity.

Does anyone think "het erasure" is a real phenomenon? I'm just a bit baffled as to where someone would conceive of this.

Re: Het Erasure?

[mekkio]

No, it's not.

NEXT!

Re: Het Erasure?

[(Anonymous)]

In fandom, yes.

Re: Het Erasure?

[(Anonymous)]

Not really there even. It's inaccurate terminology. There's just not a lot of het.

Re: Het Erasure?

[(Anonymous)]

maybe, but then the question is, "should anyone capable of rational thought give a shit" and that one has a pretty easy answer.

Re: Het Erasure?

[(Anonymous)]

Het erasure comes from the same dark logic-free zone as cisphobia and female privilege.

Re: Het Erasure?

[(Anonymous)]

One of these things is not like the other. Privilege tends to refer to problems you don't even know exist because you've never had to deal with them, not comparative advantage. If you're going to acknowledge that the patriarchy hurts men too, and it does, you'll have to admit that you might not understand all the ways in which it does so.

Re: Het Erasure?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sure someone believes it's a thing, but they are being ridiculous. If "het erasure" is simply... taking away heterosexuality from a character, then sure, that's a thing that happens. but that's not a problem at all, and no one should give a shit. and almost always we're talking about fans who want to write a character gay anyway, not canon material, because we could probably count on one hand the times that an established heterosexual character was suddenly changed to gay in canon.

Re: Het Erasure?

[lb_lee]

My husband is joking he got his het erased when he came out bi.

(And no, I don't believe it, but then again, there are some white people who seem UTTERLY CONVINCED their race is going extinct, and that this is terrible, so whatever.)

--Rogan

Re: Het Erasure?

[(Anonymous)]

You are aware that the jews have infiltrated the governments of the world to allow hordes of black and third-world immigrants into Europe and the US, infiltrated the media to promote "equality" and race-mixing, and are actively destroying the white race so that they can rule the world with their brown minions, right?

In 50-100 years, most of the world will be mixed-race and blonde and red hair and blue eyes will be nearly unheard of. The white race is dying. :(

Re: Het Erasure?

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, it is a legitimate thing. People are going out there and erasing heterosexual people. Wake up sheeple!

Re: Het Erasure?

[kallanda_lee]

Get that eraser away from me.

Re: Het Erasure?

[(Anonymous)]

Totally why I just pretend to be bi.

Re: Het Erasure?

[(Anonymous)]

My mom got erased for being straight, and no one believes me :(

Re: Het Erasure?

[kallanda_lee]

What? what even was the context?

I'm pretty sure I've never seen anyone having their heterosexuality erased.

Re: Het Erasure?

[(Anonymous)]

It's a comment under yesterday's 7th secret. The one about Uhura, if you want to look.

I mean, the commenter did make some good points too, but the whole "het erasure" thing boggled my mind a bit.

context

[(Anonymous)]

here's the context

http://fandomsecrets.dreamwidth.org/1154732.html?thread=809661356#cmt809661356


OP of this post turned it into another thing when clearly, the point is completely different. The discussion is not just about het in general either.
It was in reply to the fact that for some people
woman in a relationship/het couple=weak female character ruined by writers
even if the said female character being in a relationship, het that is, might be a step forward since she's a black woman who wasn't allowed to be in any relationship in the original source material because of the sexism and racism of the era when it was created.
In way, some people in that secret (especially the dumbass in the other thread who apparently thinks that her crying because her friend just died, and her kissing her boyfriend, are things that make her a bad female character) want to 'erase' her canon het relationship (that in this case symbolizes the fact that racism doesn't forbid the writers from having her in a relationship anymore) to make her fit with unreasonable, and honestly sexist, standards of what qualifies as 'strong woman'.

Re: Het Erasure?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure I'd characterize it that way, but I think maybe I get where the notion comes from. If you're looking for het fandom material for your favorites characters or OTPs and all you can find is slash, sometimes it can feel like the fandom majority is trying to erase straight interpretations of the character from their collective awareness.

Obviously, this doesn't erase straight characters from the canon or invalidate the fact that they ARE canonically straight. So in that sense, no, 'het erasure' really isn't a thing. But it definitely creates a sense of being not one of the cool kids and rejected by the rest of fandom if you do prefer het, which is never a pleasant experience no matter why or how it occurs.

Re: Het Erasure?

[(Anonymous)]

LOL nooooo. What a weird, privileged mindset.

Re: Het Erasure?

[nightscale]

No, that is not a thing.

Re: Het Erasure?

[cbrachyrhynchos]

No, this is erasure.

Re: Het Erasure?

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Well, more seriously it's bullshit that depends on equating petty fandom popularity contests with long-standing institutional biases in journalism, media, and academia.

Gay erasure was a policy of hundreds of newspapers that refused to print obits for men who died of AIDS, or printed fiction instead. Gay erasure was the demand by a preacher this month to remove photos of a lesbian couple from a funeral. He forced the mourners to carry the casket out of the church rather than perform the service. Gay erasure was the celluloid closet, even going so far as to produce propaganda like "Night and Day" to create the illusion of heterosexuality. Gay erasure is bowdlerized history, mythology, and literature.

And bisexual erasure exists as well: Alan Cumming repeatedly described as a gay man, Larry King's "You were bisexual?", "Gay, Straight, or Lying" as a headline in the NYT. Tans erasure exists as well.

But het erasure? No. Het erasure in the Star Trek franchise, where non-heterosexuality is represented in less than a half-dozen TV episodes and primarily explored in the extended universe of fiction? No. If anything, K/S is a reaction to the fact that, due to the constraints of network television and mass-market cinema, practically everyone (including Morn) got at least one apparently heterosexual relationship.

That you don't have the monster ship and people say bad things about your favored character isn't het erasure. It might be some other form of prejudice, complicated by being in a shitty fandom for a shit movie, further complicated by the function of the internet as a meagaphone for negativity, but it's not the same thing as gay/bi/trans erasure.

Re: Het Erasure?

[(Anonymous)]

Almost any concept you can dream up can be real, but the problem, like most fandom terms, is context.

Yes, if you take over a show / comic / series of any kind, and decide to turn literally every previously established heterosexual Gay or bi with no justification other than "I'm writing this now, and this is the right way to write these characters", then you have just committed something that could be called Het erasure.

However, if you take over a show / comic / series of any kind, and decide to turn some previously established heterosexual Gay or bi with no justification other than "I'm writing this now, and this is the right way to write these characters", then you are probably not committing Het erasure.

The problem with people on both side of the SJW divide is that they see a buzzword and apply it willy-nilly with no thoughts of the actual context.

Re: Het Erasure?

[(Anonymous)]

I never feel het romance in mainstream media counts. It's so 2d.

Re: Het Erasure?

[(Anonymous)]

LOL I think I replied to you in the thread
here's my reply


I think we are talking about the the 'strong independent woman who doesn't need no man' thing here because yeah.. everytime a female character is in love, fans will call her 'weak' or say she got reduced to a love interest even when it's not true. Idk if it's het erasure (we say 'het' b/c of course most of the romances in media with women are still het) as much as it's the erasure of women considered as human beings and who don't need to be single or unfeeling to be 'strong'.
Asexuality also shouldn't be used as an excuse to further marginalize people (woc, queer people) whose sexuality and feelings are already erased and made a bad thing.

adding that, in context, in the fandoms where slash is so popular some people seem to really think that pushing for more representation for gay people means they have to delete all the het romances and put them in some sort of black list and every time there is one it's 'cool' to hate on it by default just because it's het and not a your slash ship.
The problem is also that even when it comes to het, not all the ships are white characters and if you have a romance with pocs or an interracial couple, it's unfair to label it as just 'hollywood heteronormativity shit' when those couples can be representation for some people, even if it's not the kind of representation and diversity you specifically care about.