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⌈ Secret Post #2963 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

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Transcript by OP

[fscom]

I'm a little bit embarrassed by how long it took me to realize that all of those Mage Rights posts weren't actually parody.

I guess I was just in denial.

Nobody wants to be in one of "those" fandoms.

[(Anonymous)]

...what? idgi.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel similarly about all the super over the top slytherin defense posts in the HP fandom

+111111

[(Anonymous)]

this a million times

[lb_lee]

Can someone offer context?

[(Anonymous)]

Probably Dragon Age where the Mages are stolen as children, put in 'schools' that are basic prisons, guarded night and day by state sanctioned drug addicts, can be given magical lobotomies against their will, and have no rights at all?

There are people (like the op it seems) that some how things that is all justified because a few mages might wind up to be dangerous.

[(Anonymous)]

Not OP but I'm not sure that interpretation is justified

It could be, for instance, that they don't think that stuff is justified but also don't view it as a serious problem of social justice and civil rights, being as it is part of a video game

[(Anonymous)]

I'm pretty sure the 'mage rights' stuff is not really serious other than thinking that in game it is a serious issue and the OP is an idiot and/or thinks it's not an issue in game. Only person that brought up social justice and civil rights was you.

[darkmanifest]

And then you have the flip side, where one mage child wasn't taken as a child to the Circle, and the result was an entire village wiped off the map by said child. Some Circles are fucked, but most people never seem to have a viable alternative that isn't "let mages do whatever because freedom".

[(Anonymous)]

No-where does it say that they think any such thing. You are wildly projecting and a prime example of the sort of silly overreaction and ad hominem attacks on RL people irt fictional characters that contribute to "those" sort of fandoms.

[(Anonymous)]

I didn't know that was a thing so I searched it as a tag on tumblr. I regret this choice. Dragon Age Fandom, I do not understand you.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it's really that weird that some people are so passionate about it, considering that Bioware (clumsily) writes in parallels between mage (and elf) oppression and real-world oppression, and a lot of people in fandom have experiences with real-world oppression that mage/elf oppression forcibly reminds them of.

I do get embarrassed when people are super aggressive about it just because they're idk Anders stans or something.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah I rather think Bioware has put a lot of work into paralleling fantasy social dynamics with real life oppression. The elves are clearly the distrusted "minority race". Mages ring a lot like LGBT to me, since it's something more innate that can be hidden, and has a lot more beef with the "church". They've even toyed with more literal oppressed groups, like immigrants in DA2, and homophobia was even touched upon a little in DA:I. But for the most part, elves and mages are pretty much avatars for real life oppression, and while some of the dynamics are totally invented, a lot of it sounds a lot like stuff in our world today.

It does seem pretty stupid to rally behind "mage rights" or something, but I can understand identifying with the mages, if you're also from an oppressed group.

[(Anonymous)]

Anders would blow up chantries and churches alike.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I can't.

I'm a queer woman. My queerness does not make me dangerous. It does not allow me to set people on fire with a thought, or put me at risk for being possessed by terrifying otherworldly entities that can and will slaughter hundreds of people.

I find the parallels irritating and heavy-handed in canon, and the fans who treat being a mage (or a mutant, or a werewolf, or any other potential murdermachine that's latched onto as being just like gay people) pretty fucking insulting, to be honest. Fear of dangerous supernatural entities that can kill you with a thought just by being careless is perfectly reasonable. Fear of people who are not heterosexual is not. Treating the former like the latter at best trivializes the issue, and at worst sounds a lot like weasel words for "the homophobes are kind of right, you know".

[(Anonymous)]

Actually the writer of DA2 said that Anders canonically has bipolar disorder (wich is also implied in his in-game codex, where it says that Anders has always suffered from "violent moodswings between deep melancholy and manic determination") and that his storyline with mage opression and justice was meant as a metaphor for mental illness.

Which makes a lot more sense when it comes to mages; people who are locked up because they have the potential to be dangerous, who are locked away for 'everyone's good' and given lobotomies and solitary confiment as punishment for non-compliance.

[(Anonymous)]

Like people who say that killing orcs in D&D is basically the same as racism and/or genocide and Highly Problematic

[feotakahari]

I agree with basically everything Kieron Gillen has to say on the subject:

"Obviously, as Moorcock and Mievelle and many others show, it doesn't have to be like that, but when so much shit fantasy accepts turning foreigners into monsters and having your heroes slaughter the fuckers as a standard trope, it's problematic. As much as Tolkein's work lies right at the heart of me as a writer, I'm aware that if I was living in Middle Earth, I'd be an orc. I'd be working in one of those smelting pits until some elf decides to shoot me.

"(Don't start me on Elves. My perennial bugbear. Elves are basically "What If Aryans were right about there being a master race". Fucking Elves.)"

http://toobusythinkingboutcomics.blogspot.com/2013/03/an-interview-with-kieron-gillen-on-kid.html

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not denying the validity of the interpretation. Or even the problematic nature of the trope in classic fantasy (altho I don't quite agree with Gillen's reading of Tolkien).

But there's a vein of thought in which killing orcs in a roleplaying game is Bad Wrong Fun and makes you an actual imperialist and is impossible to separate from the reading of fantasy where the Orc is the Other such that killing orcs is necessarily an imperialist murder fantasy unless it's actively subverted. And that's what I don't agree with.

[(Anonymous)]

Wow that ignores everything Tolkien ever wrote about orcs (And the fact that orcs are elves) and the fact that Tolkien struggled deeply over how he'd written orcs and all the implications he let just be by following Norse epic tropes.

[silvereriena]

I've never come across these posts, though I have only dipped my toes in the Dragon Age fandom. I personally felt bad for the mages so I kept helping them as much as I could unless they were deliberately out to harm (I'm pretty sure I just killed all blood mages I came across, even though I played as one, lol).

[(Anonymous)]

I saved the Blood Mages who it was obvious had gone to blood magic because there life was so fucking terrible it seemed the only way out.

[silvereriena]

There were a few, that's true. I probably saved those ones unless they had already turned into abominations because at that point the game doesn't give you a choice.

[saku]

this is what i turned to after awhile. i started out being pro-mage but really anti-blood magic but a lot of blood mages werent inherently bad people, even if the developers did a pretty poor job of depicting blood mages that werent Immediately Evil. there were some cases where mages were shown resorting to blood magic out of sheer desperation, like that one mage girl in da2 that was cornered and literally about to lose her life before she turned to blood magic (it killed her anyway but at the very least it gave her a chance, which i think is a reasonable response to having your life threatened).

and some mages who practice blood magic aren't even desperate or Evil; merrill for instance practiced blood magic, even nonchalantly, yet seemed to have more self control and realisation than anybody else in the game, blood mage or not. as naive as she was depicted, i really think she knew exactly what she was doing, and thus was able to keep her wits about her in the presence of demons. so i started really sympathising with some of the blood mages unless it was clear they were using blood magic to be unnecessarily malicious, which can occur with any type of magic or weapon, really.