[ SECRET POST #3085 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3085 ⌋

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[fscom]

12. http://i.imgur.com/Dk8iFOR.png

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe they came from fandoms where the canon ship is the juggernaut ship and are surprised when they get to a fandom where that's not the case? That's all I got.

[(Anonymous)]

Or where shipwars make it look to newer fandoms as though the concern is which one will be canon, and they're surprised then when other people don't ship established canon pairings. That's how I was - I knew people fought over whether Ron would be with Hermione or if Harry would, but I had no idea there were people who shipped, say, Sam/Frodo knowing full well - maybe even because - it wasn't canon.

[(Anonymous)]

Hiya, canon shipper here.

Let's break it down based on my experience (which doesn't necessarily speak for everyone).

The canon shippers I know generally write fic mostly because they want to explore the universe as established in canon. So to them, shipping might only be a small part of it in the first place. It's how they can explore those canon relationships and dynamics, including the romantic ones. Even if it is a large part, the need to explore canon is why. Whereas I think non-canon shippers still very much want to play with the world, but they also want to write an alternative take.

What I will say is that it's also been my experience that canon shippers may be more prone to leave fandom once the canon is closed, with non-canon shippers staying behind.

Again, just what I've seen. Perhaps someone has a different perspective.

[(Anonymous)]

That's a pretty good explanation. Of course, it's not true for everyone but I imagine it does reflect the experience of quite a few canon shippers. I guess the only thing I would add is that I don't know that I would agree that non-canon shippers necessarily want to write an alternative take. A lot of fic I've seen focuses on making the non-canon pairing canon-complaint, which might take a little extra writing depending on the characters they ship (if they're already very close in canon, it's generally much easier to get them together).

But I've seen a lot of excellent writers deal with break-ups and then getting their pair to become closer.

[ninety6tears]

I ship a lot of canon but for me it's more about getting more invested in the first place because canon events support the idea. I have some of that desire to keep things neatly canon-compliant but that goes out the window if an AU idea feels believable enough.

[ketita]

I'm very much an "explore canon" type of person - I don't like AUs much, definitely prefer to stay within canonverse, and if I AU I try to make it very strongly linked to canon. Thing is, I don't always like the canon ship. Just because it's canon doesn't mean the author managed to sell me on it, or even that it's the most interesting ship. (for example, in the Farseer books, I ship Fitz with basically... everybody but Molly. That pairing just annoyed me. it made sense what happened to them, but I did not enjoy it much)

I have also encountered many canon shippers who are extremely rabid, or very very focused on the shipping aspects and not just as 'part of the canon'.

So that's my different perspective. (I'm not saying that what you're describing isn't accurate as well! Just giving a second opinion)

[(Anonymous)]

idk, I generally ship non-canon pairings but I often want fic for canon pairings because I'm not completely satisfied with the way their relationship played out in canon (example: I used to ship Booth/Bones and, although it was canon, I didn't really like some of the choices that writers made with their relationship, so I craved fic)

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, no doubt. But I always find it odd when canon shippers seem surprised that a noncanon pair has much more fic because, while there's surely canon ship supporters who are writing fic, there are going to be canon shippers that are completely satisfied with how the pairing is presented which is obviously going to reduce the pool of potential writers.

Compare that to noncanon shippers where none of them, obviously are going to be getting what they'd prefer from canon. It just seems obvious that noncanon pairings will have an edge in terms of fic because of this.

[(Anonymous)]

This. I also tend to do this for pairings where the characters are shown to be married in time-skip epilogues and what-not (Like in the epilogues for Harry Potter and The Hunger Games. I think it's fun to read fics that explore how the relationships of those characters might have developed, especially with Katniss/Peeta, considering how fucked up they both at the end of the war)

[philstar22]

Have you found any actually good Booth/Brennan fics? I was craving them for a while, but everything I was reading was as bad as canon, so I gave up.

[intrigueing]

Because a lot of the time, canon shipping is not done for the sake of shipping, it's done because the canon couple is a feature of the canon and removing it will make the fanfic AU. So it might feel a little weird to come into a fandom and find that 60% of the fanfics are AUs where the canon romance never happened. Just as it would feel a little weird to come into a fandom where 60% of the fanfics are AUs for any other reason.

Now, for non-canon ships that don't break up a canon couple, yeah, I don't know why they'd be surprised at those being more popular, especially since there are way more different possibilities for how to write the arc and dynamics of a romantic relationship (especially first-time stories) for non-canon couples.

[(Anonymous)]

"it's done because the canon couple is a feature of the canon and removing it will make the fanfic AU."

But is that necessarily true? Couldn't removing a canon ship just be a continuation of canon? For example, if you wrote a Harry Potter post-epilogue fanfic where one character in a pairing dies and so they get together with another character, would that necessarily be AU?

Also, I've always gotten the impression that there's a lot of fanfiction that deals not only with the canon world but also with fixing things that the reader or viewer doesn't like (whether it's a ship or a plot point).

[(Anonymous)]

it's done because the canon couple is a feature of the canon and removing it will make the fanfic AU

with respect, I'm not entirely on board with that argument. It seems to me that the same logic would apply to all fanfic ever written - and while that might be the case, I don't think it's a very useful definition of an AU

[(Anonymous)]

If that's all it takes to qualify as an AU, then I think only a very tiny percentage of fanfics would count as canon compliant.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Exploration is the whole ducking point of ducking fic so it's not the slash folks who need justification.

Ducking phone errors left ducking in because they're ducking funny.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't really like this thought because it seems to lead into the idea that canon pairing = gen and at least for me nothing makes me click away from a fic faster than suddenly having a pairing shoved in at me with no warning.

Like Lupin/Tonks. I hate that pairing. And I hate reading something unrelated and then suddenly OH YAS AND HERE IS LUPIN AND TONKS AND THEY ARE TTLY MAKING OUT BECAUSE THEY ARE CONSTANTLY BUMPING UGLIES LONKS4EVER!!!!

Like... no. If it doesn't matter to your fic if they're together or not then just leave out any mention of it and let the reader either assume canon-compliant or happily headcanon whatever. And if it is important, tag it. "Mentions of Lupin/Tonks" or whatever, just some warning.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't give a damn about shipping, I just want to re-experience the feelgoods I got from the canon I became a fan of in the first place. I want more of the same, in short. If that means that there is a canon!ship then I want the canon!ship. I have no interest in some other version of the canon, because I don't give a damn about something that is not the thing I am a fan of. That also means I want the canon!ship to have the same level of importance and intrusion in the fic that it has in canon. Take the X-files, although we all have to admit Mulder and Scully have a thing together, I have as much interest in them spending a fic cuddling and going to the theater and not finding a horrible monster or alien abducting people through the theater screen, but just watching a movie and then making out, as I do a fic where Scully is fucking the CSM six ways from doomsday. The fic that uses the idea of them going on a date only to be derailed by the monster of the week and turning it into an X-File, that is the fic I want.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, it seems only logical to me, expecially since most shipping fics seem to revolve around the couple becoming a couple. If the ship is canon, then there's no need to write fic about them getting together - unless the exact details of how that happened are unknown, or it's an AU.

Obviously people can and do write about established relationships, too, but in my experience those are comparatively few and far between even for popular non-canon ships.

[silverr]

IA, anon. To me fanfic is for all the stuff you DON'T get in canon - fixits, missing scenes, and yes, hookups that didn't happen in canon,

As the flamingo says:

[(Anonymous)]

I don't understand canon shipping At All. What's the point?

[elaminator]

I think it depends on the fandom? For instance, in Spartacus fandom Agron/Nasir was still hella popular (despite being canon). I didn't read much of the fic (which I assume there was lots of) because their relationship in canon was so satisfying that I didn't feel there was much 'missing'. Now, there are certainly things I could see people wanting to read about with their canon pairings (like with Agron/Nasir, fic set after the end of the series), but sometimes a show gives you what you want.

There is also nothing wrong with just wanting more of a canon pairing (and the dynamics that come with it) that you already love, but I'm rarely surprised at non-canon pairings popularity because there are SO many ways you can go.

[nightscale]

My guess is that they're used to having lots of fic for their pairing or it being the dominant ship, I've certainly been in fandoms before where the main canon pairing is the biggest ship so perhaps they've always gotten lucky in their ship choices in other fandoms?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm very rarely satisfied by what canon provides. That's why I look for fanfic.

[(Anonymous)]

*shrug* In my first fandom, the canon pairing is the juggernaut, so 99% of the fic involves that ship.