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I see him as a younger Spock, without the polish and wisdom of age. He has to yet learn the many lessons and acceptance of his human side. So he's a bit more rigid.

I think he did a fair enough job.

Yeah, I can agree with this.

The Spock we are seeing in TOS has been in Starfleet for many years, so he's more mature, so to speak.

And, he's a different character besides. The films don't really explore the implication that by Nero fucking up the timeline, other character changes besides just Kirk's daddy issues take place.

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(Anonymous) - 2015-07-11 20:44 (UTC) - Expand

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A bit of this, yes. I mean, I kind of hate the new movies and all they stand for (well, mostly ST:ID, but it went retroactively back onto the first one as well), but for the point of his life AOS Spock is at, the characterisation does make some sense.

TOS Spock, by the time we see him, had a good few years in Starfleet and his years with Captain Pike to soften him up some, and even then it was a work in progress. He was massively struggling with emotion and identity right up into movie era, and he always seemed to try and lock it away and become 'unfeeling' whenever that struggle ran against him. Taking a younger Spock, whose emotions are running more strongly and who's had so much less experience dealing with them, it makes sense that he'd overcompensate a bit. We do get hints that even TOS Spock had a bit of a chip on his shoulder when younger. Like, say, the entirety of 'Journey to Babel' and his relationship with Sarek before they ease up a little bit.

I kind of still don't like Quinto as Spock, at all, but there is a logic behind the characterisation as well.

Exactly.
I dunno but Nimoy was proud of him and this should matter, no?
He even thought he added layers to the character he found interesting and made him reconsider his character from a new light.
If you read what he said about how Roddenberry saw Spock, especially young, Quinto's portrayal fits that a lot and like others have mentioned here, he is not supposed to be the same character anyway because that is the point of this being an alternate reality. I don't think with his own life experiences different from the other it would make sense for him to be too much like Nimoy played him.
I don't think of all the cast he's the worst or the most different or more different than Kirk anyway. Scotty and Chekov might as well get called William and Dimitri.

He wasn't just more rigid, he was also more angry, pissy, and stuck up. It just starts to not feel like Spock, even it is a younger version. Also, he was pissy before Vulcan blew up, so saying that he was only angry because of that doesn't hold up.

So much yes to that. He was terrible, just terrible.

To be fair, the cast of nu!Trek in general just plain sucks. Mostly because Trek is such a revered fandom with an incredibly rabid fanbase...the whole time I was watching Into Darkness, kept feeling like everyone involved was thinking, "Okay, gotta do my best TOS impression. Because if I try to take this series/part in any kind of new direction, the fans will eat me alive." That's what bugged me so danged much about Into Darkness: how damn safe they were playing it. That and they were clearly hoping that the retread of Wrath of Khan would cause the fanboys to cream their pants in delight and overlook the movie's flaws. Though it came across more as, nu!Trek knows the words, not the music.

But I freely admit to not being a huge Trekkie. Was totally a Star Wars girl growing up and I keep meaning to try Trek, but there's so much continuity that I'm not sure where to begin. Have seen Wrath of Khan, which was awesome.

I spent nu!Trek wondering whether Captain Kirk in TOS...yeah, I know the guy is something of an arrogant ass, but I do like to think that Captain Kirk did actually have some leadership skills and intelligence to go with it. Nu!Trek Kirk...They just do the old Informed Attribute bit, where they hope if they talk enough about what a great leader he is, the idiots in the audience will totally buy it and won't notice how very bad Kirk is at his job.

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Agreed. I don't how much of the blame lies with the writing and directing, but he didn't come across as a calm and collected Vulcan who was in control. He was just a jackass who lost his cool when provoked, just like everyone else.

But... isn't this the way they wanted the character played? I don't think poor acting skills was an issue as so much as it was a collective choice to not do an impression of TOS Spock.

Spock is half human so it would make sense that he have outburst like that. That was the reason they gave within the movie several times as well.
I kinda like the idea he shows traits from both sides of the family.

Man, I love being able to able to enjoy both old and new Star Trek without getting frustrated at everything. More people should just relax about it.

I'm with you! It made things worse that Nimoy was in it as well, so you couldn't help but compare the two, directly showcasing just how awful Quinto really is (in this role, at least).

At least, now that Nimoy is dead, Quinto can remove and ~~eat~~ examine his brain and duplicate his acting powers.

It really threw me that Sylar didn't actually eat the brains. "Staring really hard, something something clocks" was a terrible trade-off.

It's always a surprise for me to see ppl who dislike him
I thought his part and role was the super hardest for any actor because Nimoy is the most iconic and Zachary surprised me! He's the best for me.
He is enough reminescent of tos Spock but at the same time he adds and makes the character his own which, I read, was one of the goals for the reboot.

To me the worst is Simon Pegg as Scotty. It's distractingly different (in the sequel he didn't even bother getting rid of the red dye) He got the part like Benedict was cast as Khan: they wanted the actor in the project and didn't care about chosing the right actor for the specific role.

Other thank Karl Urban, the entire casting of the reboot movies was awful. Zachary Quinto made Spock into a constipated looking, dick-ish asshole.

I liked John Cho as Sulu! He didn't quite look right, but he had the dashing manner down.

I love Karl Urban like the next guy but you guys think he is the best just because he impersonates Deforest Kelley and it's unfair because the actors in the reboot were specifically asked to not do that and, rather, make the characters their own so people would remember them as their version and the alt reality version. Basically, you are praising as the best the one actor who 'failed'. What makes this Mccoy an alternate reality version? What makes him Urban's own Mccoy?
You guys want this to be like tos but it never was the purpose here ans you can't fault the other actors for successfully doing the job they are asked to.

I thought he was good in the '09 but something about him in STID made me second guess whether he's really a good Spock. I don't really see the "unfeeling" part, though, he's a lot less nuanced than Nimoy and that's kinda the problem, though that's mostly the writing setting him up for it.

Abrams version of Trek is all-around fucking awful so this is really no surprise. There isn't a single redeeming quality about either film.

Agreed. Also, poor Porthos. What Scotty did was not cool. :(

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(Anonymous) - 2015-07-12 05:09 (UTC) - Expand

Man, I'm glad I don't have a stick up my ass. It seems this causes you a lot of frustration. You guys are as bad as 'the book was better' elitist. You can't enjoy two things separately, you gotta get offended and angry that everything wasn't up your standards. Talk about first world problems.

Nimoy will always be my one and only Spock, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't think the new Star Trek movies were fun and entertaining.

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ceebeegee - 2015-07-13 00:55 (UTC) - Expand

You remind the guys who comment on every article about the reboot saying that JJ&co should die and that your 'sources' told you there is no third movie in the making it's just a conspiracy by bad robot?
I bet you guys will be the first in line to go watch the next movie when it comes out just to complain about it.
Get a life!

Of course the tos elitists love the fan productions which are just AWFUL.

The thing I've most enjoyed Quinto as was the bitchy queen in the first season of AHS (haven't seen Heroes or NoTORIous, but his performances look fun in those, too.)

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