[ SECRET POST #3147 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3147 ⌋

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[fscom]

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Transcript by OP

[fscom]

N!S: I love this show and I've been a really big fan ever since S2.

Secret: I think a lot of the fans who have since abandoned the show are delusional. Not because I think it's bad that they outgrew it or lost interest, but because they act like the first two seasons were amazeballs and that only the later seasons have issues. The show has always relied on the strength of the actors to carry it, because frankly the writing and plotting is pretty average. Whenever they whine about characters being put in unnecessarily sexy situatiosn or the fact that a lot of the actors drop the show to move onto better projects, I want to ask them what they expected from an MTV remake of a cheesy 80s movie. To be perfectly honest, I found the first two seasons poorly paced, with plot stretched too thin so they drag out ~dramatic~ romantic moments. Yes, there are massive plot holes and Jeff Davies skips over a lot of heavy emotional fallout to keep the show moving forward but again, MTV show. You knew what you were getting into.

I think the only real noticible differece is that the new cast clearly doesn't have the same chemistry as the old, and it's showing up on screen. I miss the characters too, but some people think characters leaving is part of some evil conspiracy of Davies being terrible instead of actors trying to have careers.

B!S: I think most of this hate is thinly veiled "my fanon after S2 didn't come true because Derek isn't a growly Alpha, Stiles isn't pack mom and Scott is portrayed as the hero instead of a bumbling fool, therefore EVERYTHING IS TERRIBLE." I love those fics too, but come on!

[helenadax]

I used to like this show, but I guess I got bored.

[ketita]

Yeah, same. It's not that it was stellar in the early seasons, I just was more entertained by it.

[(Anonymous)]

I just got bored when they revealed the backstory for the evil kitsune

It's like horror story rules. If you explain something, most of the time it gets less scary. Previously it was a pretty fucking cool villain.

[(Anonymous)]

the kitsune's backstory episode was one of my favorite episodes of 3B tbh, but I understand your reasoning for disliking it

[(Anonymous)]

What show is this?

[(Anonymous)]

Teen Wolf

[(Anonymous)]

I don't really have anything else to add to this secret except that I agree that pack mom!Stiles is terrible. The prevalence of it in fanfic was my least favorite thing about the Teen Wolf fandom

[(Anonymous)]

ugh yes, it's just awful. all of the "puppy pile" fics and headcanons got on my nerves too. what's with all of the saccharine bullshit?

[fishnchips]

I dropped it because in the beginning, I thought it was shit but still kinda amusing but after a while it was just plain shit - at least for me.

[cloud_riven]

I love this show, but you're probably right about some of the chemistry with new cast members just not being there. I'm okay with that though, because when there is (HELLO LYDIA AND PARRISH), it's so good for me.

Also, I'm actually invested in Scott's character, and definitely his friendship with Stiles. Given that each season is rather different, it's almost a standalone thing. It's kind of like movies and games, where the sequels don't necessarily require watching a previous title, but there's a sense of pride knowing where the characters who remain have ended up, and how they grew. Teen Wolf isn't a smartly written show, hell I barely pay attention to the specifics of the supernatural logic or action plans (because they're gibberish and i tune out), and it's not exactly consistent in its mythos. But it makes sure that each season has a clear direction and conclusion. I don't think I've ever felt it was a "we don't know where we're even going" sort of show, which is the vibe I get with a lot of popular long-running shows (SPN LOL). Even if it's not future-proofed in regards to the actors, I'm invested!

Now, on the other hand, I'm happy as fuck it's getting abandoned by folk who were watching the show for the wrong reasons. Reasons that suck. suck like a misplaced attachment to derek being competent lol

[elaminator]

I never thought Teen Wolf was a perfect show (far from it, it's always been silly and kind of a mess as far as continuity goes; I loved it regardless) but it just stopped being entertaining for me.

The cast has a lot to do with it, and while I understand that actors come and go (especially on a supernatural show like this one), I stopped being invested in most the ones left too (which didn't feel like a lot). Even Stiles (who yes, was my favorite) was not worth tuning in for anymore. I didn't like the new characters either, and that combined with my growing boredom was enough for me to quit.

Granted, I stopped season 4 (I didn't like a single episode of season four...I don't know what it was, I just stopped feeling it) so maybe 5 is better...but at this point I don't think I care enough to pick it up again.

[takaraikarin]

Well, I dropped the series because I wanted Scott to be competent (I like him) but as I waited for that, between watching Derek emoing and Stiles getting more annoying, I realised I only have so much free time, and maybe I should spend it watching things that I don't find frustrating instead. I miss Lydia a lot, but now I mostly just passively waiting for other projects by the actor so I can watch her again.

[(Anonymous)]

lydia is still on the show though...did you mean allison?

[(Anonymous)]

sa

whoops nevermind, I misunderstood your comment. ignoooooore meeeeeee

[takaraikarin]

It's fine, I wasn't being clear

[takaraikarin]

No, I mean, since I quit the series early (3A), I no longer can watch Lydia and I miss the character, but even my missing her isn't enough to get me to watch it again.

Yeah, it's never been an amazingly plotted show.

[(Anonymous)]

But there have been some amazing performances (sometimes in a very scenery-chewing way *cough* Ian Bohen *cough*). I liked the past seasons (I was even okay with season four, though some of the episodes were a slog to get through). But I watched the first couple of episodes of the this season and I've lost interest in watching (though I'm still DVRing episodes because sometimes it's hard to let go of a show). You're right, its strength has always been in its cast, not the writing, but the writing does also matter because, after the second season, each season (or partial season) has felt really different from the last.

[nightscale]

I found Teen Wolf entertaining in the first season but I never thought it was great TV, it just hit the right balance of cheese with some mild horror thrown in to work for me, but then during and after season 2 it started going downhill for me until I eventually just got bored with it.

I don't hate it though, I just don't care anymore.

(Also I cannot stand pack-mum!Stiles in fic, and the worst part is it was everywhere).

[(Anonymous)]

As the kind of person you're complaining about OP, I'll tell you exactly what I expected from a cheesy MTV remake of a cheesy 1980s movie: Cheese.

The show had PLENTY of that in season one and while you think the plotting was thin in seasons one & two, at least there was plotting. I liked that season two ramped things up (I started watching season one while season 2 was airing and became obsessed.) I liked that it took on a darker tone and I thought the stuff with the Kanima was interesting.

But, ultimately what I loved about the show was the characters, and yes, obviously several of the actors chose to move onto better things, which is absolutely their right. That said, I don't think killing them all off was necessary (killing Allison off was a terrible decision when her canon backstory/introduction asserts that she's never lived in one place more than a year. There were so many ways to write Crystal off the show that didn't involve killing Allison.) And that's why I think the direction the later seasons have taken is terrible: It became too grimdark too fast, they tried to introduce way too many new characters at the expense of development and growth for the existing characters we already knew and loved, and these new characters I didn't care about were driving the plot. So yeah, I'm going to bitch about how much worse the show became because the show bought into its own hype and Jeff Davis makes no real effort to flesh out his universe. The timeline doesn't make sense or add up and when called on it, Jeff gives shitty responses that indicate he doesn't know his own characters the way a writer should.

Realizing that he didn't have a real plan or direction and that characters I loved were suffering for it while new characters nobody cared about or asked for took the spotlight drove me away from a campy, cheesy, 1980s movie remake MTV show that I really loved and cared about and I'm not going to apologize for that. Mostly, I miss lacrosse. I miss seeing Scott juggle school & sports & social life with lycanthropy. By the end of 3A, I found that I had really missed the balance between the supernatural and the mundane.

Also, from what I've read, more than just not caring enough about his characters, Jeff treats the actors pretty poorly, so I'm not surprised that so many of them have jumped at the chance to leave. I am surprised that it's a mistake he seemingly hasn't learned from, not trying to contract more of them for longer periods of time.

All of this said: Please, by all means, if you still love the show and you want to keep enjoying it and loving, that is your prerogative and I support you fully in that endeavor. But don't make assumptions about my reasons for hating what the show has become. That's rude.

[tabaqui]

The strength *has* been in the cast, but they're replacing most of the interesting cast with boring, cookie-cutter twinks who can't emote to save their lives. Plus the guy who plays Scott is just...so fucking boring. His whole 'pure Alpha' storyline is boring, his 'moral dilemma' storylines are boring.... Sorry, but everything about him is boring, and they're mostly focusing on him this season.

I really liked Kira (even if she was just an Allison replacement - one hot, weapon-using girl for another, they even slotted her into Allison's exact place and actions in the opening credits) and still do, though her storyline is going nowhere. And the Lydia/Parrish 'relationship' is so forced it's painful. Even Melissa and the Sheriff have just...lost their interesting edge. I'm still enjoying the Stiles actor's acting a lot, but his storyline has become pretty attenuated.

You're right, the plot has always been pretty damn thin, and Davies/the writers have publicly stated a number of times that they just don't care about plot holes, which is a shame. They've also been pretty lame about the whole Stiles/Derek thing, even banning mentioning it at a couple cons (something the Supernatural con circuit has never done), and made a lot of 'no homo' noises, but only over those particular characters. So - eh. I think it's a case of Davies/the writers getting way too lazy and complacent, and the ever-revolving actors/characters just not holding anybody's interest.

[leisuretime]

Thematically, I think season 5 is looking very different from 1-3, which were all very *someone wants revenge" with a side of "when is a thing not a thing." Season 5, however, is taking from the worst parts of season 4, in that it's "more villain-of-the-week involved with mysterious big bad."

And I think that's a little worse.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree that it was always ridiculous, but I stopped watching this season cause the new lack of chemistry in the cast is enough for it to lose a lot of its charm imo.

Lmao agreed all the way on your Bonus hough, SO many fans left cause their precious (ooc) fanon and Sterek didn't happen. A lot of the fans were SO entitled tbh...

[(Anonymous)]

"The show has always relied on the strength of the actors to carry it, because frankly the writing and plotting is pretty average."

- You're not telling me anything I didn't know.

"I think the only real noticeable difference is that the new cast clearly doesn't have the same chemistry as the old, and it's showing up on screen. I miss the characters too..."

- Hmmm. So fans that enjoyed something poorly written and cheesy mostly on the strength of the cast are no longer enjoying it and leaving it because a noticeable difference is old characters being replaced by new people with less chemistry (and arguably less talent). It's almost...It's almost like there's a cause and effect there or something...

But, no. Clearly it's because we all wanted two of the dudes to bang or something.