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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-08-22 04:03 pm

[ SECRET POST #3153 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3153 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2015-08-22 08:13 pm (UTC)(link)
That was exactly my reaction. They had to ridiculously over-gender the umbrellas so they wouldn't be accused of making a gay love story... between umbrellas.

It did leave a rather poor taste in the mouth, and it was a pity because it was a sweet little short film otherwise.
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[personal profile] elaminator 2015-08-22 09:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I haven't seen this and was about to ask how they gendered the umbrellas when I noticed the eyelashes. And the... Idk how to describe it, thinner, more... Curvy shape of the red umbrella.

And now I'm laughing because yea, it is kind of ridiculous.

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(Anonymous) 2015-08-22 08:16 pm (UTC)(link)
They gendered them so people can more closely identify them. And there are way more heterosexual relationships than any other kind. A guy and girl umbrella would reach the biggest audience.

(Anonymous) 2015-08-22 08:22 pm (UTC)(link)
there's probably more closeted bi people than anything

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(Anonymous) 2015-08-22 08:24 pm (UTC)(link)
But why did they have two gender them at all? They're umbrellas!

Wouldn't most people have just assumed they were male and female anyway, because it was shown as a love story, without hitting everyone around the head with it in such an unnecessary manner?

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(Anonymous) 2015-08-22 10:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Every main character should be like this. Whites make up most of America after all.

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[personal profile] fingalsanteater 2015-08-22 08:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm all for people starting to call out unnecessary gendering of objects. The "give it boobs or eyelashes so people won't think this is gay!" is so annoying.

(Anonymous) 2015-08-22 09:35 pm (UTC)(link)
And stupid because MEN HAVE EYELASHES!

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(Anonymous) 2015-08-22 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
How about a hair bow?

Actually, I vote for cat eye glasses, like in Gary Larson comics.

(Anonymous) 2015-08-22 08:29 pm (UTC)(link)
But the Lava Mountains weren't gendered because of bullshit gender roles, they're gendered because they're based on real people, namely a famous Hawaiian musician/activist and his wife:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Kamakawiwo%CA%BBole

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/17/pixar-lava-behind-scenes-love-story

(Anonymous) 2015-08-22 08:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Different movie!

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(Anonymous) 2015-08-22 08:59 pm (UTC)(link)
That's actually not true. The music and Uku were inspired by Iz, but I've never read anything that indicates that the romance in the short was based on his life or his relationship with Marlene. Rather, the plot seems to have been primarily based on the directot's life experiences.

http://pixar.wikia.com/wiki/Lava#Production

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totally different anon

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[personal profile] feotakahari 2015-08-22 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)
The worst for me is still Chrono Trigger, with the main character robot having a vaguely romantic connection to a pink robot. No other robot in the entire game is pink, there doesn't seem to be any in-universe reason for this one to be pink, and it feels out of place when everything else in that entire time period is so drab and colorless. They're robots, so they're not romantically involved in the same way humans would be, and I wouldn't have read any gender into their relationship if it weren't for the pink.
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(Anonymous) 2015-08-22 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Wait, am I literally the only one who can't read this secret?

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(Anonymous) 2015-08-22 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think there's much active thought behind it, OP. It's a common trope in animation and people who are setting out to do a romance between two objects will probably automatically gender them without thinking twice because they're unconsciously mimicking a trope they've seen so many times in various mediums.

I'm not suggesting this is a good or right way of thinking, but I doubt it's an "gross avoid the homosexuality" approach.

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(Anonymous) 2015-08-22 09:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Wait, the red one isn't a pretty Japanese boy?

(Anonymous) 2015-08-22 09:44 pm (UTC)(link)
What makes you so sure they were gendered the way you think they are? The blue umbrella could have easily been transgendered lesbian.

Check your privilege, cis scum.

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(Anonymous) 2015-08-22 10:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Everything should be fungi-gendered from now on.
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[personal profile] tcex28 2015-08-22 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
A fair few of the shorts these days seem to boil down to 'guy gets the girl', be it people or inanimate objects; are there at least any where it's the other way around? i.e. the girl one is the protagonist/gets more focus.
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[personal profile] diet_poison 2015-08-22 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I actually think it's probably because without the gendering, it wouldn't have been coded as romantic. Which isn't really their fault, though obviously they're reinforcing it rather than combating it by doing it that way.

Which is really a shame because a) obviously heteronormativity and also b) it couldn't ~possibly~ be the case that a male and female umbrella would just want to be friends. Basically, as a society we're super strongly socialized to interpret F/F or M/M as Always Friends and M/F as Always Romance.

Also, is it just me, or is the male half of a "gendered objects/somewhat anthropomorphized animals" pair always really bland-looking? Like they're the perfect average or something. IDK.

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[personal profile] rbhudson 2015-08-23 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
THIS

(Anonymous) 2015-08-23 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
And we've had this secret how many times now?

(Anonymous) 2015-08-23 12:55 am (UTC)(link)
At the start I thought the blue umbrella was a girl and I was happy.

Then that cartoon stereotype girl umbrella appeared, making me feel silly for having expected anything better.

(I still tried to think of them as a f/f butch/fem couple until the end but the stupid cartoon made it so hard with its in-your-face stereotyping.)

(Anonymous) 2015-08-23 08:06 am (UTC)(link)
did I write this secret in my sleep? this shit is driving me insane, and it seems to be happening more often in pixar's shorts– what happened to cute and creative shorts like the guy playing chess with himself? or the magician's rabbit? besides being eyeroll-worthy that they had to gender these fucking umbrellas, it's so bland and uncreative, "boy object wants to get with girl object but (obstacle) stands in their way!" wow I wonder how that will turn out...

pixar is becoming bone tiddies level of stupid: http://9gag.com/gag/aj6rqEp/they-can-go-as-far-as-to-give-the-girl-skeleton-a-pair-of-bone-titties-to-indicate-its-a-straight-relationship

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