[ SECRET POST #3175 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3175 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

06. http://i57.tinypic.com/67inuc.jpg

[klutzygirl]

Season 2 was a fucking mess (but Skye's one of my favorites so...) and went off the rails in the second half. And the way the show treated abuse and brainwashing is vile.

[(Anonymous)]

Stop whitewashing Ward

[klutzygirl]

I don't think that word means what you think it does, anon.

And the way the show victim blamed both Kara and Ward after the abuse they both suffered is vile and I won't shut up about it. And Ward's actions aren't excused but his abuse at all but the show chose to ignore said abuse and kidnapping by John Garrett.

And Kara deserved so much better than what she got. She (and Ward) should have been able to heal and overcome their pasts but the show chose to vilify both abuse victims they portrayed.

[(Anonymous)]

Ward wasn't kidnapped by Garret. He was in jail (for a crime he DID commit, and as far as we know, it wasn't self defense), and Garret offered him a way out, which he made the decision to take. Garret then left Ward alone in the woods. He taught Ward to fend for himself by fucking off for several months. It's not like he was put through the extensive brainwashing Kara was.

Ward was absolutely abused by his family, but with Garret he had plenty of opportunities to choose for himself, and he chose wrong.

Kara, on the other hand, was totally fucked over. She deserved better.

[klutzygirl]

Ward was a sixteen year old - a minor, which means that he couldn't legally consent to going with Garrett. Thus, 100% kidnapping. And nice victim blaming.

And while he wasn't put through the MCU version of brainwashing, Grant was still brainwashed because that's what John Garrett - his abuser for fifteen years - did to him through said abuse. There's plenty of evidence of the fact that it was both physical (and that went above and beyond simply to be for "the cover". Garrett took pleasure in it and that was definitely not the first time) and emotional abuse.

Now, it doesn't excuse any of his actions but it's very much canon and relevant.

Both Kara and Grant deserved better than this.

[philstar22]

I don't feel like the show whitewashes Ward's abuse (Kara's, yes). But it is pretty clear that Garrett abused Ward. The show just doesn't allow that to be used as an excuse for Ward's actions. Ward was abused and brainwashed. He still did horrible things and is a bad person.

[(Anonymous)]

So basically Ward is allowed to be an abusive, rape-threatening kidnapper Nazi because of his abusive past? He gets to continue the cycle? Ward is an adult. He chose to act abusively toward people, to threaten to rape Skye, to kidnap her repeatedly because he had a fucking crush and chose to continue the manipulation Kara had to deal with when she was at her most vulnerable.

Accept that he is a villain. The "good" version of him NEVER EXISTED. He lit a house on fire with his brother inside it because mommy didn't treat the brother like shit. HE IS AN ABUSER TOO and his past does not excuse that.

[(Anonymous)]

+1000

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think ward is a woobie, but the "threatened to rape her" stuff is bullshit,

[(Anonymous)]

Pretty sure that's not what she said, anon. There is, after all a middle here. You don't have to excuse Ward's actions to feel that the emotional abuse inflicted on him was brushed over.

[(Anonymous)]

I've enjoyed season 2 so far (but I'm only like...halfway through) but yeah, it's very Skye focused. Which isn't that bad for me, since while she's not my favorite, I like her well enough. I think the only thing that would make me hate this show is if Ward got rehabilitated or something like that. No redemption arc for that guy pls.

Although I've heard things that make me go :| so maybe by the time I finish it, I'll end up hating the show, who knows.

[philstar22]

This. I've enjoyed season 2 (although I liked season 1). I do wish there was less Skye and more May and Simmons, but that final makes it seem as if next season will at least have more Simmons.

[philippos42]

I...have watched maybe one episode of season 2. I might agree with you if I cared enough to watch Marvel shows.

I mean, I didn't hate Skye, but I didn't like them messing up Fitz (and thus Simmons), and they brought back evil traitor mole boy, so I gave up.

I agree with you.

[(Anonymous)]

I think Season 2 was probably better written overall, but I didn't really care for the overarching plot or the directions they took some of the characters. I don't think I'll be watching come the 29th.

[kitelovesyou]

I didn't like early S1 (to me, boring and laughable), but unfortunately I really don't like Skye and the way she can do no wrong except in the "lesson learned" trite way, in a show that tonally tries to be "gritty" (the show still doesn't know what it is). And the trailer looks like it's all about her. I'll still watch it because (sort of) MCU, but I don't know if it'll be a keeper.

[(Anonymous)]

I gave up after season one because of Skye. That and season two was on at the same time as Face Off. Because Skye is such a noxious Mary Sue in that everyone, good and evil, is obsessed with this character. She is the sun around which everyone can do nothing but revolve around. I was promised an ensemble show, dammit! Not the all-Skye Spectacular! Pity, because I've always liked Coulson (even before he put Loki through a wall) and I thought May was cool and Fitz and Simmons were adorable.

But since from what I've heard, it doesn't sound like Skye gets taken down like any pegs in season two, I'm staying out. I only have so much time on my hands and my hatred of her is eclipsed only by my hatred of Mohinder and my hatred of Sasuke.

[shahrizai]

Yup, I agree. Skye can do no wrong. If she does anything even remotely bad, it's okay because either her intentions were good or she gets the poor orphan pass.

I've never been much into Whedon shows (I know AoS isn't a Joss show though) and from what I understand, each series has to have a super-special woman with a traumatic past who can do no wrong. It really doesn't help that Chloe Bennet looks a lot like Summer Glau.

[philstar22]

Yes, but Buffy isn't perfect and earns her specialness because her life kind of sucks and she works hard at what she does. River is so completely traumatized and mentally unstable that she doesn't come across as suish to me. In spite of Skye's somewhat tragic background, it never really compares.

I actually wonder if it would have worked for me more if her inhuman past had been introduced from the beginning. You see from the beginning that Buffy kicks as. With Skye, she goes from being a reporter with no special physical ability to being a capable Agent and an Inhuman and it is all too much.

And plus, Buffy is the only other Whedon character who takes over the show as much (actually not quite as much, IMHO), and she's the star of the show. Shield is billed as an ensemble show, but it isn't really anymore.

[(Anonymous)]

Season 2 was kind of awful, and it half makes me want to quit. It started out okay but really fell apart, and I don't think the writers actually understand the implications of the things they're writing. It makes me super uncomfortable. I'll watch for curiosity's sake but I'm not excited about it anymore, and I may end up dropping it. I feel like Coulson is unrecognizable from the character I loved in the movies and I'm pretty much only here for the ladies now. Plus Mack and Fitz.

[elaminator]

I got a kick out of season 1, but it is true that I loved the first half of season 2. Mack and Fitz were adorable together and Bobbi was also amazing. I liked the story, and the direction of the show... it just started to fall apart by mid-season. I still haven't finished it and am telling myself, "Just do it!"

Right now I don't care enough to.

[(Anonymous)]

IA. I mean, S2 was tighter and the episodes in and of themselves were better written perhaps, but the arcs were bizarre. They rushed through stuff, dropped things, etc. And yes, the constant focus on Skye. I don't dislike the character, I just wish they'd spend some time on all the others as well.

I'm also not thrilled the Inhumans are going to be such a big deal. Obviously I'm waiting until I've seen it to pass judgment, but I liked that the show was about non-superpowered people.

The show also made me fall out of love/like with Coulson. He's why I started watching, but now...He seemed so competent and cool in the movies. I could understand why Fury would trust him and put him in charge of the Avenger Initiative. Now though, I'm wondering what's so special about him. What is he good at? He's nice and occasionally still funny, but that's not enough to be a good SHIELD agent, let alone director.

Finally, I'm also a bit frustrated at the lack of crossover between the movies and the show(s). It's getting ridiculous. Either make a real break, or tie them together properly.

[meredith44]

By the end of Season 1, I was mostly enjoying the show. I gave up watching partway through season 2. And a big part of that was the focus on Skye. (I also decided I disliked Coulson and other factors.) Just to add my voice to the chorus of "you are not alone" in this thread.

[(Anonymous)]

On an emotional level, I liked season 1 more, partly because there was a smaller ensemble and they had more of an "underdog family" feel (but Skye unfortunately always was a major focus - it's just gotten worse is all). The Inhumans storyline is very boring and I wish they'd just drop it already. The spin-off should have been Skye and them, to be honest, because Bobbi and Hunter fit in with the rest of the show a lot better than the Inhuman stuff and then they really could just make Skye the main star like they so clearly want to do.

However, I think at least the first half of season 2 was objectively or at least more consistently better written. (The first half of season 1 and the second half of season 2 are about equally bad, in different ways). And I love how they developed Fitz and Simmons - when they remembered to give them meaningful screentime...

tldr: I agree and disagree.

[(Anonymous)]

ITA with you about the spin-off. I was so hoping it'd be Skye and an Inhumans team. That way I could see if I liked it and if not, still have AoS. It would make so much more sense, especially since they said they were potentially setting it up in the season finale.