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⌈ Secret Post #3204 ⌋

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[fscom]

10. http://i.imgur.com/LqoI7KZ.png

[(Anonymous)]

how very weird.

[(Anonymous)]

It's a thing on tumblr now, to label ships you don't like as problematic or abusive, while ignoring what makes your own ship problematic or abusive. People need to start making liberal use of the block button / blacklist function and carry one doing what they like.

[(Anonymous)]

amen.
The most ridiculous are those who come in the ship tags to say 'ohh I would love your ship if it was written better' when it's just blatantly obvious that no, you wouldn't because it goes against your ship (that maybe isn't even developed) so stop lying for notes and leave the other fans alone.

[(Anonymous)]

Huh. Interesting.

For me, personally, I've seen the exact opposite of this. Maybe it's because I follow a lot of Social Justice Slash Shipping Tumblr, but I see a lot of slash shippers label het ships as abusive for fairly asinine reasons. For instance, I saw several people call a het ship "abusive" and "pedophiliac" because the guy is nineteen and the girl is seventeen. I've also seen people call het ships "incestuous" simply because the guy and girl grew up together. (Funnily enough, this same argument is never brought up when two guys grow up together).

I guess it just depends on who you follow and know, but I definitely do feel that if you're a slash shipper you're probably more inclined to be hypocritical about het ships and vice versa.

[(Anonymous)]

"I've also seen people call het ships "incestuous" simply because the guy and girl grew up together. (Funnily enough, this same argument is never brought up when two guys grow up together)."

In regards, to this, it really depends. Thor/Loki is still incestuous even though they grew up together and most of the shippers acknowledge it. Even if they aren't blood related.

I think there's a difference between growing up as best friends (Ron and Hermoine) and growing up as siblings (Thor and Loki or any other kind of adoptive sibling).

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I think adoption can get kind of fuzzy. I don't know if you're familiar with Attack on Titan, but a lot of slash shippers (especially Eren/Armin shippers) who made arguments about how Eren/Mikasa was incestuous because Mikasa lived with Eren's family for a year before his parents were killed. Some people argue that they're adoptive siblings, and it's wrong to ship them. Others point out that Mikasa really can't be considered Eren's sibling since she only lived with his family for a year, and she clearly didn't consider his parents to be her family. Also, Armin has known Eren longer than Mikasa.

I tend to agree with the latter group, although I don't ship Eren/Mikasa. (I find it boring). However, I do think that many of these slash shippers probably wouldn't be raising this issue if Mikasa was a dude.

The topic also gets fuzzy when we're talking about a historical context. Cousin marriage was legal for many years, and there's a lot of media about romance between cousins. Is it really morally wrong to ship cousins if it wasn't condemned during that period?

Also, I have to admit that I don't really think Ron/Hermione is the best example? They didn't really meet each other until they were eleven, and they didn't really "grow up together" outside of Hogwarts. I think shippers start bringing it up more if the two characters knew each other since they were very small children (like age 5).

That said, on the flip side, you have het shippers who will do the same thing with two guys that grew up together and start claiming that it's gross for anyone to consider them anything more than brothers. They'll claim a male character meeting a female character as a teenager or adult is more "healthy."

[(Anonymous)]

I consider it incestuous if kids were raised together as siblings since they were babies. I hate when things do the they're adopted so it's okay to that. Because wtf.

That said if a character's taken into a household after they're like 10, I see them as developing separately and they probably won't see each other quite like brother/sister. Like Barry/Iris doesn't weird me out. Barry has clear memories of his father and mother.

[kitelovesyou]

For fuck's sake, why the fuck does it matter what a ship is and why people like it. Putting a social justice judgement on shipping preferences is only meaningful when talking about overall trends, like the prevalence of whitecock, else it's just a shamey way to shit on other people for liking something you don't.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I don't get why people feel the need to shame others for their shipping preferences. If someone is being an asshole, call them out on their asshole behavior but there's no need to drag all the fans of a ship into it.

And even for overall trends like whitecock, it seems like SJ types are far more eager to attack the (usually) female audience shipping them rather than the content creators; because white guys are still the majority of characters and they also get the most story focus and character development in most works. It feels like going after the wrong target, a weaker one that you can bully.

[(Anonymous)]

Completely agreed. I've got my preferences, too, of course, like anyone else, and there's some ships that don't grab me for whatever reason.

But I'm sure as hell not going to sit here and dictate who can and can't ship what, or go and shame fans of a pairing for liking something that does nothing for me. They're not forcing it on me, I don't have to read it, so it's no skin off my nose.

Shipping is supposed to be a fun activity. There's no need for all the drama.

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I definitely agree with you. I ship a lot of different things, het, slash, and femslash alike, and, for me, shipping comes down to how interesting I find the characters' interactions.

To be honest, I don't really ship things based on how cute or romantic or healthy something is. Sometimes it ends up that I do ship something cute, healthy, or romantic, but my preference is to ship two very well-developed characters that have a lot of canon interaction and usually have conflicting personalities.

For some people, they might want to ship the most romantic and emotionally stable relationship, and that's fine! But I'm not going to ship something if I find one of the characters boring. Because of this, I get a lot of people calling my ships "abusive" and saying that I'm a terrible person for shipping them, which I don't really appreciate.

[diet_poison]

I think, especially among younger fans, you have a sort of over-arching ship war between The Slash Shippers and The Het Shippers. bleh. it's dumb.

[(Anonymous)]

Really? I'm guessing you follow live action Western stuff? In any anime fandom, I could almost guarantee that it's the het shippers who get really smug about "not being into yaoi" and "rarrr abusive yaoi tropes" yet will ship the most abusive het ships.

[(Anonymous)]

I partly agree.
It seems to me that shipping het over tumblr has became a crime to slashers, especially if one of the characters is part of their ship. Try shipping het in some fandoms and you won't have fun.
You cannot like a het ship, canon or just subtext and potential, that people start saying it's problematic heteronormative shit and homophobia, or feminism fail because women cannot be in relationships anymore apparently.

I see slash fans being hypocritical, the way OP describes, on daily basis. They are the first to use the 'your ship is problematic and abusive!' argument for het ships yet, give a pass to their own ship. In general, from my experience, they are the ones who least follow the 'ship and let ship' rule.
That said, it depends on the fandom.

[diet_poison]

I'm curious to know what was fucked up about the slash relationships in question. Knowing what you've said about the het relationships, it hits one of my biggest DNW buttons - huge age gaps, especially with older men/younger women, are something I really dislike, and the bit about him helping raise her or being in any similar role just makes it reeeeally creepy. So just from what I know I'd say you've got a leg up. and I say this as someone who ships mostly het.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

The first slash ship is abusive, no getting around it. In canon, one guy physically and verbally torments the other. It's just a bully getting with his victim. The second fandom, the two guys are mortal enemies and have been for years. In canon, one beat the other to death. So yeah, they're both fucked up, but the het ships in both fandoms are fucked up as well. I'm mad these few het shippers are trying to take the higher ground. I'd be mad if some of the slash shippers in the fandoms took the higher ground, but they don't.

[likeadeuce]

Is the second one Les Miserables??? (I can't remember how old Cosette is).

[caerbannog]

I can't remember if it was the manga or the anime, but I watched/read a cute little slice of life about a guy getting custody of his grandfathers ?daughter? After the grandfather died. It was all very cute single parent type troubles.

Then I went to read/watch it in the material I didn't originally view ... And the girl he raised from like 5 he ended up in a relationship with?! Creeped me the fuck out when I caught on how the relationship changed, ditched it.

[(Anonymous)]

Bunny Drop. The anime's the non-incestal one.

Haha, that's most people's response.

[(Anonymous)]

There's a lot of this in the fandom I'm in. People always going on about how one of the het ships is gross and problematic because she's two years older, while actively shipping and defending a popular het ship where he's 5 years older, and another where he's 10+ years older.

[(Anonymous)]

I also noticed a similar trend in a lot of my fandoms. The slash ships get shit, but the same traits in het ships are excused.

I know there are a lot of a certain type of fangirls who always complain about people shipping crack slash ships and yet they ship one girl with every male characters even when they have never actually met.

I think it might have something to do with het ships being a minority in certain fandoms so they feel they are entitled to shit on the popular stuff while they are exempt.

[(Anonymous)]

>abusive slash ship
>het ship involves a middle aged man with a girl he raised since she was 10

Sounds like Gorillaz.

[(Anonymous)]

Shit like that is why I stay away from those parts of fandom. I don't need fic anyway but people just get batshit crazy with that crap. Who needs to stress? The stupidity?

[(Anonymous)]

This sounds so familiar. Could be any of a dozen fandoms.

The most depressing thing is when they honestly don't seem to see anything wrong with holding up middle-aged man/young girl as some sort of romantic ideal, or even worse when the sex scenes are out and out rape. If you're into age gap and underage rape, just admit it. Don't pretend your shipping is more pure just because it's het.

I seriously worry about anyone who ever has a relationship with these people in real life. I've actually lost sleep over it. I need to get out of fandom for a while because there are too many I've met who can't see why underage rape shipping isn't twuu vuw.