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[ SECRET POST #3582 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3582 ⌋

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[Daredevil, Wilson Fisk/Vanessa Marianna]

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One of the major contributors of art to my slice of fandom has gone patreon-only. She's no longer drawing anything for the fandom in general; you have to pay for it. All of it.

My feelings on this are weird because I have a bit of an acquaintance with her and she's sweet, in the sense that she genuinely cares about the people she has relationships with and supports other creators. But at the same time I'm like...girl you're a sell-out. And, I mean, I chat with her, and I like her art, but I'm not willing to become a patron, because from my perspective, she's charging way too much, and I don't want to spend nearly $20/month for fanart. I'm a fucking adult and I have priorities.

The people who are becoming patrons are young. They're throwing money at this thing while complaining about being broke.

So, it's like, she's contributing to a problem.

Also, this is a fandom that's on the decline, because the content came out years ago. I think, by going pay-to-view, she may also be contributing to its death.

I dunno.

Meh.

She is doing nothing wrong. Nothing. She should get that paper.

If she's pressuring kids to give her money they can't afford, obviously, that's different. But other than that? Nothing at all.

AYRT

Why should she get that paper? Does the mere fact of putting effort into something entitle someone to money for it?

I don't think it entitles them to money for it. But if someone is willing to pay money for it, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

I mean, listen, we live in a capitalist society, it's really hard for me to get worked up about the basic principle of Person A paying Person B money in exchange for goods or services

lolwhat?

She isn't forcing you to buy it. Does the mere fact of wanting to see some art entitle someone to get it?

AYRT

No, but the way airt stated their case came across as if she should get money simply because she had drawn a thing.

No, she should get money simply because people are willing to give her money

All they said was "she should get paper" and if people are willing to pay her for her art and she is willing to sell it what is the problem?

Where I live, she would absolutely be doing domething wrong but I guess copyright laws are different from place to place.

1. Making money doesn't make you a sell out. Imo that is a shitty thing to say about an artist who decides to make money doing what they do
2. If these young people aren't prioritizing their money correctly, thats on them. What is she supposed to do, sit down and work out a budget with all of them? She's just offering an optional service.

I get that it sucks when a fandom is on the decline (a lot of my fandoms are old and small), but one artist getting a patreon is not to blame.

AYRT

To what extent do you think fandom would exist if the ethos underlining all activity was, "I should get paid for this?"

Its not this artists responsibility to make sure fandom exists. Stop putting the life and death of your fandom on this one random artist who realized people were willing to pay for her work.

Yes, plenty of people do it for free. That does not mean everyone will or should. Get over yourself.

AYRT

Again: if no one did anything for free in fandom, would fandom exist?

Do you think people should charge to make secrets for this site?

Re: I'm cheap I guess, but eh

(Anonymous) - 2016-10-25 05:10 (UTC) - Expand

Re: I'm cheap I guess, but eh

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You're ignoring the other side of the coin. When someone thinks, "I should get paid for this," they're also thinking, "I really don't want to do this any more unless I'm paid, because doing it for free is no longer worth it to me."

For people already in that position, if they didn't have a Patreon, they would stop making art entirely.

Fandom would exist, but a lot of artists who are making great stuff on Patreon would no longer be a part of it or contributing anything any more, paid or free.

Congrats, you're cheap AND entitled. Art is work. Period. It takes time, effort, good tools...art doesn't just happen, like so many people think it does. She's paying herself a wage for it, and I think more artists should follow her example.

Also, young patrons spending money they don't have is not her fault, it's their responsibility. "Contributing to a problem" is such an entitled, vicious, nonsense thing to say about an artist getting paid for their work.

AYRT

Do you think I should get paid for the writing that I do for the fandom? Because most people who have your view think artists deserve money but writers don't.

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Plenty of fic writers are getting patreons too nowadays
There is less of a culture of it with fanfic cause of the Copyright Battles of Fandom Old but more people are doing it now a days

AYRT

I'd say it's less of a culture because people think writing doesn't involve work.

Re: I'm cheap I guess, but eh

(Anonymous) - 2016-10-25 05:08 (UTC) - Expand

It's not a question of should or shouldn't get paid. But if that was something you wanted to do, I'd say hell yeah, man, go for it

AYRT

Nah, I don't think I deserve to get paid for producing derivative works for a ready-made audience.

Re: I'm cheap I guess, but eh

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Re: I'm cheap I guess, but eh

(Anonymous) - 2016-10-25 16:23 (UTC) - Expand

I really, really dislike the idea of people using stuff like Patreon for fanart because I feel like that crosses certain moral lines. Like, it's one thing to charge money for commissions or for actual physical prints of something, but charging money just to let people view your fanart? No. I think that's wrong. It's not your creation or your characters, you shouldn't be making tons of money off it.

This.

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I've paid for commissions before and will happily do it again because they're making something for me at my request to my specifications. "I want to see X doing this thing with Y." But people selling access to their fanart crosses the line for me. Copywrite laws vary and have changed a lot but the general rule in fandom for decades now is that you don't draw negative attention to the fandom by profiting off it. I'm very uncomfortable with changing that and think fans who do that are the entitled ones, not the fans who are unwilling to pay.

Agreed.

I strongly disagree that earning money makes you a sell out. You buy things. Are all the companies/people your money goes to "selling out" by daring to try and make a living from what they do? Do you have a job, or do you plan to have one someday? Are you going to work for free?

That said, nobody's under any obligation to support someone via Patreon. It's up to the individual. As for "contributing to a problem" in the sense that her supporters are young and broke, that's not her problem. She is NOT responsible for how other people choose to spend their money. It's not at all uncommon for people (of all ages, in and out of fandom) to spend their money in less than smart ways, and that is 100% on them.

Along those lines, it simply isn't reasonable to expect a person to keep a fandom alive. Especially if it means forgoing potential income. No artist or writer is obligated to keep churning out their work for free, just to please fandom.

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