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Specifically there's a film I really wanted to see, and so I looked it into it.

Found out the film maker is... Politically different to me, which is fine in and of itself, that hardly ever troubles me, but then I found out that what this film maker was trying to do with this film is say some things and make some statments that make me really uncomfortable.

Now I've kinda lost my hard-on for seeing this film

Any one have any idea how you can un-brain fuck yourself? I feel like if I see this movie all I'll be able to see is what I now know the creator was trying to say, and I just wont enjoy that.

Any advice?

It helps if you don't pay for it , imo.

Yeah, but I still want to enjoy the film, as opposed to just thinking "Well, at least I didn't pay for it"

mind sharing more details? What was the author trying to say with the film?

And you could always pirate it so you're not giving money to it?

and there's no rules saying you have to get the same thing out of it. The creator can't control what people get from their work.

And some creators are sometimes so bad that they can end up sending messages opposite or different from the "point" they wanted to make.

that's exactly what I'm trying to trick my brain into believing, so thanks for reinforcing that. It's what I'm hoping I can tell myself. I really wanted to see this movie.

I would be willing to share it a bit later on, but I'm hoping I can get a bit of advice before I decide to turn this thread into an argument about the points I agree / disagree with. Kept it deliberately vague to retain focus.

Not paying is one thing, but I want to actually enjoy it, rather than mitigating the disappointment.

Its a film from last year called "the love witch" which liked to me to be a sexy horror in a 1960s filming style about a witch having lots ofnsexy and killing people. Totally my jam.

Then I read into it, and found that it's a film about how men are afraid of women, and women have more power than men. Suddenly I have all kinds of images about watching a film where every guy is a scumbag - Which isn't a problem in and of self, I watch loads of films where that is the case, but going into it knowing that's the point of the film, I worry if I'm going to be able to enjoy it, or if I'm going to feel like I'm being shit on for the entire length of the film.

That's probably all very stupid.

Don't go and see the movie. HTH.

If I hear something that spoils a movie, whether it be OSC spewing homophobia, Johnny Depp being a woman beater, or Michael Bay being Michael Bay, then I just skip it. It is only a movie, darling.

Yeah, but I don't want to miss out on good things because I can't separate the creator from the creation.

And in this case it's no any immoral message or action. Quite the opposite, I think it's probably a very good message, but one that makes me personally feel bad.

That's how I felt about Ender's Game - classic example, obviously. For me, I just ended up not going to see it (also because I heard it was kinda meh, but that's besides the point). The other one is the Mists of Avalon, and I loved that book as a kid. I already own it, so I figure I might as well enjoy it, and anyway the author is literally dead now so can't financially support her.

But honestly, I also feel like unless they are totally irredeemable as people, there's gotta be that point where you can just respect that some people have a few shitty opinions and still acknowledge that they create good things, and generally, they deserve to be paid for their creations like anyone else.

I totally agree with that last paragraph... logically. Trouble is emotionally, I just can't get back the enthusiasm I had for this film because it's not just that I disagree with the creator, but that they created this work to speak directly to the points I don't agree with. It really bums me out. I was getting mself so hyped for this movie.

I don't know about "Death of the Author." The way that I try to think about it is that a text has to be understood, basically, as a text with its own independent existence, that stands on its own terms, and that is distinct from the person who created it. The key question about a text is what the text actually says, not what the person who made it says about it.

But at the same time, all texts exist in a context, and have to be evaluated in that context - the same as any other phenomenon or statement or whatever has to be evaluated in its context. And there are times when, in fact, that contextual element overtakes the text itself, or undermines the text in some way, or to put it more bluntly makes it impossible for you to like the thing. And, to be honest, I think that's mostly okay.

So what I would say to you - frankly - is to take this as an opportunity to maybe reflect a little within yourself, and think about whether all the soi-disant libertarianism and sneering at social justice snowflakes was perhaps not entirely justified or reasonable.

I mean, I don't remember doing any sneering.

But I agree about the texts intentions being only half the point - I think thats what your getting at - and that those intentions need to come through correctly and be understood correctly for that point the creator was driving at to be fully realised.

Trouble is, now that I'm primed with the knowledge of what the creator meant, how do I fail to see that particular message. I mean, they would have to fuck it up pretty bad for me to not see what they were getting at now that I know that was their intention.

But I agree about the texts intentions being only half the point - I think thats what your getting at - and that those intentions need to come through correctly and be understood correctly for that point the creator was driving at to be fully realised.

I would say that a text's intentions are much less than half the point, to be honest. The text itself has to be the central thing.

Now, I mean, in this case, it seems very likely that what the text says and what the creator intended it to say are very close. So it's kind of not a significant distinction in this case, and there's also probably not much you can do about it at that point.

That's a tough one. I have problems divorcing some works from their creators as well.

Are there fanvids for the movie? That's one way I'll get myself jazzed back up into a work that I'm meh about but want to see.

That is a damn good idea! Off to youtube with me.

Thanks!

Aren't you the one who's kinda sneered at people for not wanting to view entertainment that was created by people they felt had really bad views? Or lecturing someone about how they should just watch things they like and not care about that stuff?

Maybe keep this movie and your thoughts about it in mind next time you start to lecture someone.

Again, I don't think I ever sneered at anyone, certainly not for this.

And to be fair to me, there is a slight difference between not wanting to watch something you do like because you have a problem with the creator - something I address in my first comment that I do not do - and not enjoying something because the creator made it to be about a specific message that runs you the wrong way.

But...

But for the most part your right. I need to take my own advice, get over my preconceptions about whether I will enjoy the movie or not, and actually watch the fucking thing.

I guess I just try to get something else out of it?

This is a problem I've dealt with a lot, bc I'm gay and there's a lot of homophobic creators of things. I guess Ender's Game would be the perfect example. I thought it was a very liberal and queer-positive book and I was shocked to learn years later that Card is a hardline conservative bigot. But, even if I'd known that about him first, I still would see Ender's Game the same way.

Also, I've found that authors might try to push one thing and end up really pushing another view, too. Like, they make a movie about how racism is bad, but the movie itself is really racist like all those white savior dramas. Or all the chick flicks where people just need to give up all the things they enjoy and get married, well, to a more critical viewer often they reinforce that it's a BAD idea to give up everything you like just to get laid.

(And man, I am super fucking curious about what movie this is, dude! But I feel you about not wanting to get into some big Thing about it on F!S.)

No, I figure I got some decent advice and I'm just gonna push through and watch the film, so i guess we can start arguing about my wrong opinions now :)

Its a film from last year called "the love witch" which liked to me to be a sexy horror in a 1960s filming style about a witch having lots ofnsexy and killing people. Totally my jam.

Then I read into it, and found that it's a film about how men are afraid of women, and women have more power than men. Suddenly I have all kinds of images about watching a film where every guy is a scumbag - Which isn't a problem in and of self, I watch loads of films where that is the case, but going into it knowing that's the point of the film, I worry if I'm going to be able to enjoy it, or if I'm going to feel like I'm being shit on for the entire length of the film.

That's probably all very stupid.

It doesn't sound stupid to me? Most people don't like being treated like a punchline.

Just watching the trailer it looks more like Kill Bill or The Craft, where the point is that the protagonist is awful too. But, if that's not what the creator intended then I understand your hesitation.

Still, I hope you enjoy it, man!

Oh, yeah, the trailer looked brilliant... Then I went to Tvtropes, found nothing, then checked wikipedia, where I found out it may be... Uncomfortable for me. I don't like feeling like a scumbag and that's always how these things go.

Yeah, I'm just gonna have to bite the bullet and hope it doesn't make me regret it. Any other choice is stupid>

Usually what I would do is pay for it used and second hand.

E.G:

Cerebus The Aardvark
Michael Bay movies
Anything Scientology centered
Anything that is world class degenerative - ist ( please Google the heck out of this crap before making bizarre assumptions based on mere squicks and commonplace phobias )

Yeah, I'm probably gonna do that.

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