[ SECRET POST #3928 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3928 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

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[philstar22]

I'm the opposite. Real life has made me jaded about cops, so I get annoyed when crime shows portray them as always right.

[dancing_serpent]

Yeah, it's mostly the same for me, as well.

[morieris]

Same.

[ill_omened]

"""real life"""

I think you mean upvoted posts you've read on tumblr tbqh lad.

[(Anonymous)]

*extremely The Wire voice*

The Wire

[(Anonymous)]

True crime shows tend to do a better job of showing the variety of cops that are out there, I think. I've seen stories about awesome detectives who are dedicated to solving cases and helping people, and I've seen stories highlighting the corruption with officers or police forces, and police being betrayed by one of their own.

I don't watch crime dramas regularly (the only one I follow is "Criminal Minds"), but I can see people liking those shows because they show the types of law enforcement officials we'd like to see.

Though, having said that, I've heard there are some crime dramas out there where the cops get away with an awful lot of illegal and questionable behavior, so...maybe they're not as idealistic as they sound?

[(Anonymous)]

What really scares me is the likelihood that the shows where cops do illegal shit are also reflecting the kinds of law enforcement officials that many Americans want to see.

[(Anonymous)]

The Wire. What you want is The Wire.

[(Anonymous)]

1) What are the odds that someone who likes and watches a lot of crime drama hasn't heard of The Wire?

2)The Wire is one of the few shows that isn't so black and white about law enforcement, but overwhelmingly, crime drama as a genre isn't that complicated.

[(Anonymous)]

I read an interesting scholarly article positing the use of TV crime dramas in society and the coverage of crime on the news as a replacement for public execution, i.e. that it showcases the effects of lawbreaking and has a (minor) role to play in getting people to follow the law. The article was from years ago (I think the 90s) so I would be curious what the authors would say now that there's more coverage about distrust of police and such. I wish I could find the article again because it was an interesting idea, and I'd be curious if there were any other studies that challenged or expanded the notion.

[cloudtrader]

I would recommend Homicide: Life on the Streets, too. It's an older crime drama from the 90's, but every character is extremely flawed. Actually, the multi-season story-arc of several of the cops in it show how they are corrupted.

[greghousesgf]

I don't think there's an entry for this on TV tropes but there should be because it shows up on CSI and a lot of other police and crime dramas. One of Our Heroes has a mentor/old buddy who turns out to be crooked or a racist or something else bad so the character can have a moral conflict of some sort.

[(Anonymous)]

Brooklyn Nine-Nine might be a comedy show but it has more corrupt cops than you can poke a stick at.

[(Anonymous)]

I would recommend Southland. It's the opposite--a couple of good apples and even they are flawed. One character is even corrupted by being a cop and it's fascinating (in like a sick way) to watch his downfall. And if I remember correctly, hardly anyone is ever fired for their corruption.

[(Anonymous)]

+1 I thought Southland did a good job of focusing on mostly good cops while not shying away from their moral grey areas, and showing corrupt cops as well

[(Anonymous)]

Eh. Cops in my country are pretty decent folk. I think it's just the US maybe that has crap law enforcement.

[soldatsasha]

..... uh... it's definitely not "just the US" that has crap law enforcement.

[(Anonymous)]

I teach criminal justice at a university level, so I have many cops-to-be as well as current and former cops in my classes. I've also, obviously, done a lot of research on policing and its place in our society.

From the research, one can see that policing attracts both the very good and the very bad. Some people are drawn to it to protect others and genuinely want to serve the public and be a part of the change that needs to happen in policing. Others are drawn to it because of the power it gives them over others and they're happy to exploit that power for their own benefit.

I've literally known a cop who saved a baby from a carjacked car and another cop who was a police chief who was convicted of manufacturing evidence against suspects (actually, one of my better students...). But honestly, most of my students and the cops I know fall in the middle. They're just people doing a job that can be exciting and fun, but dangerous, so the extremes of their personality can come out.

The real issue, though, is in the culture of policing, which is often driven from the higher-ups. If something shady or racist is allowed precinct-wide, most of the cops find it to be acceptable to act corruptly. What we have to demand as a society from policing agencies is that this culture of racism (also deeply emired in our society) and corruption must be weeded out from top to bottom. Which is more easily said than done because the people in power who are benefiting from that racism and corruption will not so easily give that up.

Basically, it is a bit of a mess, but the majority are doing their best. Personally, I like the show First 48 because it shows real cops (who aren't always beautiful and JUSTICE FIGHTERS AND PURVEYORS OF RIGHT) who are doing a job who go home to boring families at the end of the day.

[ill_omened]

The reality is that 95% of them are just people doing a job, which is a banal truth, but the nature of it. That guy writing you a ticket or nicking you because you're being a twat has his foremost thought being that he wants to clock off at ten to go see his wife and kids.

[(Anonymous)]

I suggest giving The Closer a try. Brenda is the type of character who makes a lot of very questionable choices in the name of 'justice' and ends up having it be a major, major plot point for most of the last two seasons.

[(Anonymous)]

For me when I come across it it often goes the other way? EVERYBODY including the police dog, probably, winds up corrupt and I vastly lose my ability to invest in these people.

Why can't you have one bastard and everyone else be nicking paper clips or something? Not EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE ON DRUGS YOU GUYS. They could be scared of the fella or something that'd keep him from being fired.

[(Anonymous)]

Line of Duty. All about bent coppers.

I've seen shows like that.

[(Anonymous)]

Shows with overly flawed police officers can be kind of depressing, and tend not to run very long.

[(Anonymous)]

Would we count Person of Interest as a good example? You have the hero cop in Carter while HR is an entire organization of corrupt cops. And then you have the middle ground with Fusco, average guy turned complicit turned good guy adjacent. And countless side characters, some who are good and some who are bad. (Szymanski, Beecher, Simmons, Terney, etc)

And then there's all of the federal law enforcement in the show, but we'll ignore that for the moment since you specifically mentioned cops.