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⌈ Secret Post #4043 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

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[sparrow_lately]

I wouldn't say I "hate it" but it can be annoying to be sure.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't understand what "won't let" means. Are shippers in your fandom insisting it's romantic and it's not possible that it's platonic, and shutting out the people who think it's platonic or something?

Usually I see some people insisting it's platonic and no other way, others insisting it's romantic and no other way, and most people being okay with either and glad there's both.

[(Anonymous)]

Have you not been in any huge fandom??

[erinptah]

MTE.

Any pair of friends (same-sex or not) is pretty much guaranteed to have some shippers. Doesn't mean every pair is shipped by everyone in fandom, or that non-shippers are having anything forced on them, or that someone teleported into the canon universe and forced the characters to kiss, or...whatever OP thinks "won't let" means.

[thewakokid]

If I had to guess based on my experiences of fem!slashy fandoms, it's more along the lines of "If you don't ship them and you think they're "Just gals being pals" then you're guilty of lesbian erasure, a disgusting homophobe, don't deserve any number of human liberties, and around 300 other comments along the lines of that.

It's not that anyone can stop you from having your head canon, but they sure as fuck do try.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Sure, "somebody is wrong on the internet" isn't going to prevent someone from holding an opinion.

But I can see in fandoms that are dominated by a huge ship, combined with the noise that it's "homphobia" if you don't ship it, that a some people would take the better part of valor than call down the wrath of the shipping community on their heads.

[(Anonymous)]

I can understand the frustration but I also don't think shipping something = not appreciating their friendship. At least, in my experience, both tend to go hand in hand!

Ultimately, shipping remains within fandom, so if it bothers you that much you can just distance yourself from it and enjoy canon as-is. No harm done!

[(Anonymous)]

I also don't think shipping something = not appreciating their friendship. At least, in my experience, both tend to go hand in hand!

Agreed. My favorite types of ships do tend to be friends to lovers, but I read and write just as much, if not more, fic about their friendships as I do about them as a couple. I figure I get the best of both worlds with those kinds of ships in canon, too-if they get together as a couple in canon, then yay, if not, well, hey, I've got their awesome friendship to enjoy, so I'm good either way :D.

[(Anonymous)]

I also don't think shipping something = not appreciating their friendship.

Seconding this so hard. Shipping is very much NOT an either/or thing for me. Most of my OTPs are best friends before they become lovers, and they don't stop being best friends after they become lovers.

[(Anonymous)]

I only read enemy ships, so in my fandoms the protagonists get to keep their platonic relationships with their best friends.

[(Anonymous)]

spoken like a homophobic troll.

why not just go read genfic and leave the slashers alone? (i don't really slash right now, but i am a shipper.)

[(Anonymous)]

I sort of agree in the sense that a lot of fandom will see anything where guys are close to each other as "queerbaiting" if it doesn't turn into a canon romance. Guys who are friends either need to be 10 feet away from each other at all times and giving no-homo nods at the camera, or else they need to be a canon couple. There can be no in between. It perpetuates a bad stereotype of the "right way" for guys to have a platonic friendship, IMO.

[(Anonymous)]

I just fundamentally disagree that this is a serious problem.

[(Anonymous)]

Finding the idea of two male friends falling in love appealing, or finding the idea of those same men having sex hot does not negate their canon friendship. People writing stories to these effects does not negate their canon friendship.

If other people are enjoying something you aren't, it is not a personal affront to you. Pull up your big girl/boy britches, mind your own business and jog the fuck on.

[feotakahari]

As opposed to every male/female friendship, which is completely chaste and has no shipping at all?

[lily_everhart]

Yeah I don't really see this as a problem. If anything canon needs more m/m and f/f relationships.

I also really despise this "why can't they be friends" argument because it's often used as an argument against legit LGBT ships. Victor/Yuri is a recent example where there was a vocal minority insisting that they weren't actually in a romance and that the kiss didn't happen because it was censored. Uranus/Neptune was another one because the dub erased it and also Kunzite/Zoisite (original 90s anime) if it needs to be m/m.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not fond of this, either. I recognize that to a certain extent, it's exactly what shippers do, period. Oh, did two people exchange a millisecond glance from across the room in the two scenes they have together in the entire movie? It's shipping time!

I try not to begrudge slash shippers this because there's a real dearth of gay relationships in mainstream media. At the same time, I agree it's sad that close male relationships are rare to see unless they're butched up ("no homo!") so that people who want to see more gay relationships don't have a lot to choose from.

[(Anonymous)]

I hate how the majority of canons won't let men and women have close friendships without turning it into a romance.

[nightscale]

There's a happy medium I think, I don't think people shipping m/m ships because they like the idea of them or think it's fun is an issue at all, that's what fandom is for so go for it.

Shippers gonna ship and all that and as a shipper of pretty much everything I can tell you that m/f shippers are exactly the same in regards to 'these two are awesome fiends, they'd make a fun ship'. Same for femslash shippers too.

Plus considering how much media has m+m friendships being The Most Important it's not really surprising that shippers get drawn to that and build something off of it, you're literally being spoonfed shipper fuel so ofc people are gonna eat it up.

But the people that cry 'queerbaiting' because a pair of same-sex friends are close or friendly towards each other(hell they don't even have to be friendly, just interact or stand next to each other and it'll be called 'baiting') do annoy me because you know what? Two guys being friends isn't bait, it's normal human interaction and it's fine if you ship it but it is on your own head to know that it's not likely to actually happen.

(And don't get me started on the people who cry 'queerbait' because their pet ship isn't canon when the canon in question has actual LGBT characters and pairs in it, that shit is fucking infuriating and transparent as hell).

There is also something to be said for how mainstream media writes m+m, f+f and m+f friendships and how they are treated differently as far as potential romantic entanglements go, and frankly mainstream media has far more of an issue letting m+f pairs be friends at all.

The whole thing is a lot more complicated than 'this is always bad' tbh.

To be fair

[(Anonymous)]

Fandom does this with all close friendships of any gender. It's not just a m/m thing.

[(Anonymous)]

I fucking love slash, but you know who I can't bring myself to ship? Joey and Chandler from Friends and Turk and DJ from Scrubs. Those dudes have literally the best friendships in the entire world and I KNOW they love each other and I don't have to ship them or feel the need to ship them romantically at all because it's just so obvious. I think if more male friendships were depicted that way, there might not be as many people shipping them romantically.

In a lot of fandoms, the opposite is true.

[(Anonymous)]

Most fans won't ship the best friends. For Harry Potter, Harry/Draco far, far outstrips Harry/Ron. For Teen Wolf, Derek/Stiles and Liam/Theo are so much more popular than Scott/Stiles and Liam/Mason. For Psych, Lassiter/Shawn is more prevalent than Gus/Shawn. And so on.

Also, in a lot of the long slash fic that I read, because so many canons have so many male characters, the slash couple often has male friends which are part of the story, so I do not agree, at all.

[(Anonymous)]

I am so disappointed. I came in expecting a beautiful mocking of a ridiculous "But tell us your thoughts on yaoi" over the top troll post and instead people bit hard.

[(Anonymous)]

Op, I'mtrying to be nice here... though I may not sound nice at all. But my intention are good, ok: stop caring so much about what some other people think, or ship, or whatever. Make friends who have similar views of your fav fandoms, have fun and just ignore fanon you find banal. Doing that helped me a lot!