[ SECRET POST #4175 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #4175 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

04. https://i.imgur.com/Cxz3tZB.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

Most of the people who defend those ships don't seem like they're actually interested in making a distinction between aged-up fics and non-aged-up fics either, though. So this seems like a red herring - both sides of the underage-shipping-debate have extreme positions, not just the people who object to underage fic.

To be clear, I don't particularly care about this debate and I don't object to Shuri/Ross shipping on the grounds of age (I do object to it on the grounds that I think it's boring, but that's obviously not quite the same thing). I think it's an incredibly stupid debate, on both sides.

[(Anonymous)]

What do those antis say about book series which follows a character from childhood and into they become adults and form relationships? With that logic they must also think the authors are pedophiles? Or?

Think about it- all adults was once children. So shipping anyone, ever, must mean hidden pedophilia...

[(Anonymous)]

It's like the opposite of when some people didn't like the idea of Dumbledore having been in a relationship years before because "Ew, he's old!"

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, the antis do think it's pedophilia. This was the case for Harry Potter and Warcraft, where characters who used to be children at the start of the series are now adults. I still saw people calling people pedophiles for shipping them, and comparing them to creeps having countdowns to child celebrity's 18th birthday.

[(Anonymous)]

fuck, you must be new here

antis have been screeching that aging up is just a trick to hide your pedophilia for a couple of years now, you're pretending but the character is still a child in canon and in your mind!!!!!

and also a 40/25 age gap ship is probably pedophilia too!!!! because....it's gross and wrong and...something something toxic something something normalize power dynamics something rape

[ninety6tears]

Yep. The logic is that you must be sexualizing them in the first place to even think of aging them up, or something, because shipping based on the fanon of their future relationship is just so impossible?

[(Anonymous)]

personalities and character dynamics of anyone under 18 is always in every aspect permeating inseparably with the essence of childishness and purity and there's nothing anyone could find appealing or interesting about any young character EXCEPT the overwhelming fact of their youth

which is itself always appealing because every adult is inherently a predator, and not because we might have feelings about our own youthful experiences or lack thereof to explore

I GUESS

[(Anonymous)]

ew, Shuri and ROSS???? that's gross af

[(Anonymous)]

Let them fuck.

[(Anonymous)]

ew

[(Anonymous)]

in all seriousness, I don't ship Shuri with anybody and think Martin Freeman is as interesting as stale toast, but Shuri is the character he has emotional-validation-bonding moments with in the final climactic battle, when she guides him through flying the little fighter.

So if someone is a Freeman fan and looking for a Ross ship, there's more to go on there than there is for any other character. And people are looking for a Shuri ship, she doesn't really have extended sequences with anyone else except her brother, iirc. And Ross seems genuinely completely willing/happy to take directions from her, which is a nice contrast from M'Baku and Killmonger being threatening/dismissive in various ways. And between her fashion when T'Challa first returns to Wakanda and wanting to see Coachella etc, Shuri seems really interested in the world outside Wakanda, and possibly in meeting someone who doesn't see her as either an "upstart child" or an untouchable princess.

And some people just like age gap ships. And some people especially like age gap ships that are primed for the younger member to be very much in the driver's seat, because inverted power dynamics can be interesting and fun. H/C is a gigantic fucking genre because nurting is a really powerful and common fantasy, and she's the one who heals him when he's literally broken (see also the Shuri/Bucky shippers). And she doesn't exactly sound put out about it when she teases T'Challa about the new broken white boy.

TLDR It's fine to hate it but it's not a totally out of left field 'why would anyone ever think of this' crack pairing. If people WEREN'T shipping Shuri/white dudes we'd be in for another round of 'black girls always get desexualized/aren't good enough for white hero cock or fan attention!!!' wank instead.

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah but as someone who's been having a bad experience with one of those types of ships, it ISN'T aged up

So, sure, theres pearl clutchers but theres also people with genuine squick and disgust

[(Anonymous)]

serious question, what does "having a bad experience" mean?

like. it's. fandom. there's stuff I think is super gross or boring or OOC or whatever in my fandoms too, but I scroll past or up my filter game. disgust is not a hot tipline for moral truth

[(Anonymous)]

You can up your filter game all you want. If it's a juggernaut pairing it doesn't help. And there was a big thing where a list of "poisonous antis" was made bc we just didn't want to see that crap.

Also I hate that all the fandom regulation is on the consumer.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[bio_obscura]

I am really over the sanctimonious fits people throw about underage shipping in fandom spaces that are mainly filled with young women who are HIGHLY UNLIKELY to be predators or ever become predators, and are far more likely to be abuse survivors who cope with their trauma using the harmless space of fantasy. Please turn your rage toward the lawmakers and policies that are ACTUALLY hurting children and do some critical thinking exercises to learn a bit more about nuance and context.

[(Anonymous)]

this “using sexual fantasies about children to cope with trauma” argument keeps floating around but in my experience it’s more often used as either an outright excuse for pedophilia or a “gotcha!” if someone is called out for being gross about kids. i have yet to see any peer-reviewed studies to indicate that this is an actual recognized thing, and if it is, it is more often invoked online in a very disingenuous way.

Da

[(Anonymous)]

You sound like you have a tumblr discourse blog. 9.9 grow up

[bio_obscura]

Do you seriously think that most people who are into shipping and writing/thinking/talking about shipping a) aren't women and b) are likely to be sexual predators? Because a) they are and b) they aren't.

[dahli]

Are people still going to clutch the pearls if there's a fic that takes place after she turns 18?

Yes. I've seen fic where people get called out because "THEY ARE STILL CHILDREN IN CANON!!!1!11"

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not about to go and check (because I really don't care) but I wonder what the pearl-clutchers think about media like Buffy where the characters progress from minors to legal adults over the course of the canon? By season 4, no one would have had to age the characters up for fic (assuming anyone was even doing that back then).

[(Anonymous)]

Curious, my current visual novel love involves the "breathtaking butch" who's described as 10 years older than the intern protagonist. Which of course tumblr says is problematic as fuck.

[(Anonymous)]

Age of consent is 16 in a lot of places... Check out the ages of consent for Africa, and roughly where Wakanda is ( according to real quick google search) I think it would be 16. So she's an adult and can bang whoever she wants?

[(Anonymous)]

Age of consent is never taken into this, also being 18 and 19 still gets the tumblr antis pissed. shipping with Athena from Phoenix Wright (18) and D.va from Overwatch (19) occasionally gets people stirred up with 'that's pedophilia!" despite them being legal adults.

Raising the age is called pedophilia because "you sexualized a minor in your mind" even if the character is 17 and one day away from being 18. never mind that it's fine to change a character's race, sexuality, gender or anything else. Age is sacrosanct.

Shipping characters who used to be children but are now adults due to a time skip is pedophila because they "used to be children." or "it's porn of a former child."

Shipping adults with an age gap is called pedophilia because antis are generally 14 year olds who don't understand words. it used to be the 20 year type gaps which got them upset, but now they're bitching about 22/25 year olds dating which is just sad. They'll even freak out about it for real life people dating like that.

Shipping teenagers with mild age gaps (say 15/16 or 16/17) even g rated is called pedophilia because apparently all antis are homeschooled and don't understand that it's freaking common for 15/16 year olds to date, or even be in the same classes if one has an earlier birthday than the other.

Liking children's shows is now considered a case of pedophila by antis, somehow. You don't even have to ship, just watch it gen and you're basically an evil brony now. (It's fine for THEM to like it, but anybody else? nah)