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[Stranger Things]

I LOVED romances as a kid!

There were hardly any with young characters when I WAS a kid, but Indiana Jones and Marian and stuff like that? I loved it.

I don't care, because 12-year-olds *can* get crushes and all, but I'm also not invested. I hope that one kid turns out to be gay, though.

Not OP.
Which kid?

I thought there was a rumor about one of the kids being gay? The one who keeps getting kidnapped by demons or whatever

DA

Yeah, I'm very in favor of Will being gay as well. Although I'm not sure how I feel about wanting that. I mean, what his mother basically says is that the kids at school bully Will and call him gay because he's quiet and sensitive and artistic. That's literally the ONLY info we're given on the matter, and there are zero other places in canon where it's implied that Will might be gay. So it feels a little weird to use that one line as a starting point for Will being gay. Because, like, it kind of feels like it's validating the notion that the bullies could tell Will was gay based on X/Y/Z.

I am entirely aware I'm over thinking it.

God, I know. I was okay with romance involving older characters than me at that age, but I definitely wouldn't have related to middle school jealousy triangle drama (even acknowledging that some 12-year-olds have crushes and date?). And with how much of it they had in S2 I worry they're going to feel the need to have like, established puppy love relationship conflict.

Edited 2018-12-04 23:30 (UTC)

I'm not into teen ships now, but I was in my 20s and early 30s. A lot of it was down to nostalgia. I didn't want to SEE these teens fooling around. I wanted to imagine BEING them fooling around. Because that was gone forever, and I could never have that magic of sexual discovery back.

Not trying to justify shipping teens because Judgey McJudgersons like OP will do what they do regardless. But just to offer a different perspective.

I didn't want to SEE these teens fooling around. I wanted to imagine BEING them fooling around. Because that was gone forever, and I could never have that magic of sexual discovery back.

I really relate to this.

I'm gray ace. I like sex and romance - just not when it involves me. But at the same time, I wish I could enjoy those things myself, I just don't seem to be wired for it. And at a certain point in my late twenties, it really sunk in that I wasn't ever going to experience certain things, like that first dizzying crush at thirteen, or that first relationship that felt so important and so consuming and so newly adult at all of fifteen. That kind of stuff. Even if I somehow did find a relationship that worked for me now, I'd be an adult getting into it with an adult's experiences and sensibilities.

I'll never have any of those teenage "firsts" myself. Which makes me really love them when they show up in fiction.

Although personally I'm still not here for any explicit stuff involving young/mid teen characters. Either keep it vague, or keep it relatively innocent is how I feel about that.

as if Steve/Nancy/Jonathan wasn’t annoying enough the shoe horned romance between the kids was even more irritating because it’s like a female character can’t exist without drawing attention to the fact that she’s an object of desire by someone. Like Mike/11 was okay in season 1 but then mike went full asshole to Max because HDU have more than one girl and then 11 had to be a jerk to her too. I don’t get how anyone finds this shit charming tbh.

I don't find it charming, but I do find it realistic. That dreaded word, I know.

I don’t mind realism but this was an aspect I could’ve gone without tbh. Because first you have the love triangle amongst the Nancy, then you have the hinted at love plot with the Joyce and two guys, then we have the two boys fighting over Max, and finally we have eleven who was mostly unattached but oh noes now she’s jealous of Max!!! When all your female characters are tied up into some poorly written love interest bs it’s reallllly tiring.

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(Anonymous) - 2018-12-05 08:19 (UTC) - Expand

nayrt but I think it's a useful distinction to draw and I'm glad you did it. I'm surprised by how often the opinion of "I don't like it" is met with "But but but it's realistic!" A lot of people don't seem to understand that there are different degrees of realism that people enjoy in their media, and just because something is realistic doesn't make it enjoyable for everyone.

I got the impression it was more about Mike thinking they were trying to replace Eleven. But also he's just kind of an angry dude who doesn't seem to like very many people. It probably is a little about her being a girl because of their age, but I think he would have been a jerk to anyone new they tried to bring into the group.

That's what I got too, and even Eleven's jealousy to me didn't seem romantically instigated but more that Mike and the gang were her first friends and she felt like her spot was being taking?

This was how I saw it too. He was clearly still missing her a lot and I think that bringing a new person into the group (especially because Max was also a girl) put him on the defensive in feeling that they were just trying to replace Eleven.

I liked romance as a kid, as well as superheros and dinosaurs and what not but I'm not super-invested in either of these pairs, Max/Lucas is cute in a 'puppy-love/crush' kind of way to me.

Idk for me it was more of a 'that's alright' reaction rather than abject hate or love.

I can barely handle shitty forced het romances in TV shows with adults, let alone the same with little kids.

I mean, it doesn't help that when it comes to shows about kids in general, I'm automatically going to assume I'll hate them until proven otherwise. There are definitely cases where romance can be cute in very small doses, but ~first crush~ shit is generally just cringey & awful.

It's weird when people say they hate forced HET romances. So you're ok with forced gay romances (and yes, they exist: look at Korrasami)?

NAYRT but it could be the case - just as an example - that forced het romances are much, much, much, much, much more common, and therefore more annoying even if they're not actually fundamentally worse.

Also I disagree with the other thing you said.

AYRT

Yeah, the anon above me basically covered it. It's far too common and has always been common since the dawn of romance stories/subplots, which can't exactly be said for same-sex romances (for obvious reasons).

Just because a man and a woman are standing next to each other does not mean they have to be in a romantic relationship, and especially not when they have next to no chemistry & no real purpose to actually be together other than some weirdass idea some writers have that a man and a woman can't simply be friends. I've seen it constantly since I was a little kid and I don't think it's strange to be more annoyed by that when explicitly gay romances remain comparatively very new to mainstream media, regardless of how they're written.

I can't speak for Korrasami since I've never watched Korra, and I definitely have seen some lgbt romances that kind of just seem like they're only there because "well these are the only two gay characters in the show so ... they're banging now," but honestly? I'm still just happy that they're allowed to exist in the first place without being censored / desexualized / forced into vague subtext like they have been throughout so much of history.

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(Anonymous) - 2018-12-05 14:37 (UTC) - Expand

Because 1 example doesn’t outweigh the thousands of shit het out there /s

Also because lgbt romance has a much bigger hill to fight up to show up in the mainstream as opposed to a “he was a boy, she was a girl, can I make it any more obvious” crap het. I might not be happy over the shittiest written lgbt romance but as long as it’s not using homophobic tropes and writing I’ll be fine with it as opposed to tired old bad het drama.

Because heterosexual adolescent first love is something of a trope/cliche that gets shoehorned into a lot of stories, built around the myth that men and women can't be friends under any circumstances, and often serve as twue love "endgame" (*cough* Harry Potter *cough*).

Re: Korrasami: People emotionally hooking up after knowing each other for years isn't that uncommon and isn't at all "forced." Not all relationships are preceded by simmering unresolved sexual tension.

I don't really care about the Lucas/Max relationship, but I ship Mike/Eleven hard, and I am 100% okay with that. After S1 I felt a little conflicted about shipping them, because they were so young, and the show could just as easily have had their romantic feelings for each other turn out to be fleeting and quickly put behind them. But after S2 came out, I felt pretty validated that canon shipped them too. S2 shows that they really, genuinely care about each other. Their feelings were more substantial than just coming-of-age curiosity. The attachment they'd formed was lasting.

However, no, I don't want to read or write explicit fanfic about them. Yikes, no thank you.

And if the show wants to have them decide to just be friends in S3, I'll still probably respect that. I mean, I think they love each other, but first love doesn't necessarily mean forever love, especially for people who find their first love so young.

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