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[ SECRET POST #4434 ]

⌈ Secret Post #4434 ⌋

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[The Good Place]

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[Taskmaster]

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[The Umbrella Academy, "We Only See Each Other at Weddings and Funerals"]

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[Criminal Minds S04E15, "Zoe's Reprise"]

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[FBI (2018)]

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[Cameron Britton playing Ed Kemper in Mindhunter]

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[Criminal Minds S04E15, "Zoe's Reprise"]

IDK I feel like I can imagine it in the abstract, and maybe some people even do deserve it, but when you actually think about the details and the reality and what the lived experience of doing something like that would be like... I just have no desire at all to actually do it. It makes me sad.

"whom I felt deserved it"

I'm sure plenty of people share this feeling, but this is the genuinely unsettling part of this secret to me.

How, exactly?

As opposed to... who they *didn't* think deserved it?

Odd how you're the only one who picked up on that. You're 100% correct, though. It IS disturbing that someone would be okay with having their own moral code, because you don't know what my moral code is. Most people are assuming mine is similar to their own.

Your problem sounds less like you're a serial killer, and more like you're surrounded by either extremely sensitive souls or holier-than-thou pearl clutching hypocrites to me. I think most normal people would want to hurt, idk, someone who tortures puppies for fun. I'm not gonna go do it, most people wouldn't really go do it, but I'd be more weirded out by someone who didn't at least want to or didn't think they deserved a punch in the face, than someone who did.

We all also manage to control those feelings and not do all the things we want to do, for obvious reasons. That's perfectly normal.

I'd guess the reason people think you're trying to be edgy isn't because nobody else ever wants to hurt people, it's this: "Hee hee you could pass by me on the street and ~never notice~ average old unassuming me, the ~potential sociopath~, which just how I LIKE it! *rubs hands together villainously, twirls mustache*" It really sounds like you'd enjoy being ~different. I don't think you are, though.

I think most normal people would want to hurt, idk, someone who tortures puppies for fun. I'm not gonna go do it, most people wouldn't really go do it, but I'd be more weirded out by someone who didn't at least want to or didn't think they deserved a punch in the face, than someone who did.

I think there's somewhat of a distinction to be made between wanting to hurt someone, and wanting them to *suffer*. Not sure which side OP falls onto, but, yeah.

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Your problem sounds less like you're a serial killer, and more like you're surrounded by either extremely sensitive souls or holier-than-thou pearl clutching hypocrites to me. I think most normal people would want to hurt, idk, someone who tortures puppies for fun. I'm not gonna go do it, most people wouldn't really go do it, but I'd be more weirded out by someone who didn't at least want to or didn't think they deserved a punch in the face, than someone who did.

This.

The problem with the guy in this episode, though, was that he didn't just feel that way about the kinds of people mentioned above. He didn't understand how somebody didn't want to hurt people in general, whether or not they'd done anything to deserve it. That is a valid thing to be concerned about, I think.

And then, of course, he acted on those violent urges as well.

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I'd be more weirded out by someone who didn't at least want to or didn't think they deserved a punch in the face, than someone who did.

Well then I guess you'd be weirded out by me. I don't want anyone to be hurt. Suffer consequences? Sure. I think a child abuser or someone who tortures puppies (examples in this thread) should be imprisoned so they can't hurt anyone else, but I don't want to see them suffer. I don't think violence is generally a good solution to pretty much anything.

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I'd guess the reason people think you're trying to be edgy isn't because nobody else ever wants to hurt people, it's this: "Hee hee you could pass by me on the street and ~never notice~ average old unassuming me, the ~potential sociopath~, which just how I LIKE it! *rubs hands together villainously, twirls mustache*" It really sounds like you'd enjoy being ~different. I don't think you are, though.

Pretty much, yeah. If you catch yourself narrating your own actions in your head and the phrase "Little did they suspect" pops in there, you just might be an edgelord.

Sorry, replied to the wrong comment. I don't see where OP is being as gleeful and over the top about it in the actual text of the secret.

I'd guess the reason people think you're trying to be edgy isn't because nobody else ever wants to hurt people, it's this: "Hee hee you could pass by me on the street and ~never notice~ average old unassuming me, the ~potential sociopath~, which just how I LIKE it! *rubs hands together villainously, twirls mustache*" It really sounds like you'd enjoy being ~different. I don't think you are, though.

Er, no? I didn't use that tone at all. I like being unnoticed because I'm shy and feel socially awkward around people. I can fake it if I have to, but prefer not to. I AM different. Everyone is unique in their own way. There's no cachet to being different.

Possibly relevant: http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2495-6-scary-realities-working-with-actual-psychopaths.html

Everyone has thoughts like that. Where you go, I could kill this person who wronged me. Or even thinking about HOW you would kill them. The main thing is not doing it.

Meanwhile, I've had something of the inverse of this experience? There were a bunch of rapes in my home town a few years back, and for a while everyone was talking about them and what they'd do if they caught the guy, and it was ... There were a lot of people talking about hunting the guy down and beating him to death, and there was this implication that that was not only normal but kind of the moral thing to want to do? Like, you didn't love your sisters enough if you weren't willing to go hunt a guy down and kill him for them? And meanwhile I was there, and I could imagine fighting someone, maybe even killing them, in self-defense or defense of my family, if they attacked me first, but actually hunting someone, going to kill them, was not a thing I could picture myself doing. Even for myself or my sisters. So. You know.

I think it does depend on the individual and the context? In some places/times/circumstances it's maybe considered more normal/moral than others to want to harm someone, and people really do have different responses and desires relating to violence.

Same. I don't want to go and hunt people down and punish them. I do get angry that someone dared to think his (usually his) wants were more important than someone else's safety, but not in a way where I want to punish them myself.

You're not alone, nonny.

I think maybe I'm a little different than a lot of people when it comes to discussions like this, because I actually have hunted people down to deliberately hurt them or make them suffer, and I've gotten in plenty of fights and stuff for not-morally-upstanding reasons. I've tried to kill people (though thank god never succeeded) for reasons other than self-defense. So, I CAN imagine myself hunting someone down or killing them.

But a lot of people think of that with some amount of glee. Like you said, like it's normal or moral to want to do that to bad people. And for me, I don't get that at all. Hurting someone, even a bad person, for me it's just about the most miserable thing in the world.

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Lots of people think this way about lots of people. Either people who 'wronged' them (the jerk who cut them off in traffic, the idiot who got in their face in line) or people who 'wronged' others - a pedophile, a rapist, a mass murderer.

99 percent of people never act on the impulse, even if they sit around talking about it, or have some elaborate fantasy of it in their heads and yes, a big percent of the reason they do *not* is because they don't want to get caught and their life to become a shambles. And also because when it comes down to actual, physical violence, most people shy away from that.

So - you're not so different. Just keep on not killing people, and you're fine. :D

Seeing the image first, I thought this secret was either going to be about how he died or his time dating Katy Perry.

I also felt a lot of affinity with the way the character though. I mean, not the serial killer stuff, but the parts about having sex with Shannon Woodward, absolutely.

I think there are genuinely people out there who don't want to hurt anyone ever, even if they think someone deserves to be punished for their acts. I can respect that because hurting someone doesn't really do any good even when they deserve it and violence doesn't solve anything.

However, I'm not one of those people. I absolutely fantasize about hurting people who I think deserve it as punishment for their crimes. I'd love to have the power to make the head of a rapist/child molester/mass-murderer/disgustingly corrupt politician explode with just one look. Or sometimes I just imagine being a big damn hero and beating the shit out of them. It's far cry from picking up a gun and hunting someone down in real life though.

That said, if someone intentionally harmed one of my family members, I can picture myself losing my shit and trying to attack them if given the chance. I may be 110 lbs and female but I am filled with rage.

I believe, because I have seen how it affected me doing small acts of revenge when I was young, that unleashing more base urges on people who deserve it is poisonous to the individual who does it. It's not about the victim (even if they truly would have been convicted and sentenced in a court of law). This is why I don't believe in the death penalty. I believe killing people lowers us as a society.

So, when I look at my own urges, it's not fear of legal repercussions or horror I could do that that stops me (we are all monkeys, every last one). It's my fear of what it would do to me, and how poorly it would sit on me. I don't want that for myself.

Maybe you have an anti-social personality disorder (otherwise known as psychopathy).

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